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[Stoney]

Being an MIT Professor hardly mean a thing actually. Pulitzer prize winners rate no higher these days either. Sadly most anything can fit in those catagories.


As for the movie... I'll wait till it comes out on other channels to see it. That is if I hear it's good or interesting. I'm not a fan of HBO.

You tell me your yardstick for credibility and I'll see if I can find something for you then.  How about my opinion by itself?  Probably not good enough either.   

[TwinEng]

Ok, i just want to know one thing, how possibly can you be more racist then Nazi Germany. Japan didnt even come close to Nazi Germany. You are aware of the fact that Nazis put hordes of people into the friggin owen right.

So you are totally unaware of the horrendous atrocities committed by Japan in the countries that it occupied?  

China alone claims that the Japanese killed more of their citizens than the Nazis killed Jews.  

I love all of this silly revisionist history.  The Japanese are actually by far the worst at doing this.

Just this past October 31st in 2008, the chief of staff of Japan's Air Self-Defense Force Toshio Tamogami was fired due to an essay he published, arguing that Japan was not an aggressor during World War II, and that the war brought prosperity to China, Taiwan and Korea.   He also argued that the Imperial Japanese Army's conduct was not violent and that the Greater East Asia War is viewed in a positive way by many Asian countries.   He also greatly criticized the war crimes trials that the United States conducted following the war.

When the essay became public knowledge, it caused an international outrage, especially in many of the Asian nations victimized by Japan that he claimed had appreciated the war.   Even here in the USA, it was big news.   Don't you recall this news story??   It received quite a bit of coverage by the national press here.

Every August here where I live, there are annual protests against the United States, accusing the USA of war crimes in the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.  Every August our local press gives this lots of free publicity, and we get to hear year after year what an evil and vile nation we live in here in the USA.

I've read detailed accounts of these protests, and local essays by the leaders that have been published by our local press.  I've never gone to attend one, though, as I honestly would feel compelled to spit on these folks.   I did by pure chance once drive by one of the protests, though, and saw the crowd assembled together to say "Never Again."

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[SIK1]

So you are totally unaware of the horrendous atrocities committed by Japan in the countries that it occupied?   

China alone claims that the Japanese killed more of their citizens than the Nazis killed Jews. 

I love all of this silly revisionist history.  The Japanese are actually by far the worst at doing this.

Just this past October 31st in 2008, the chief of staff of Japan's Air Self-Defense Force Toshio Tamogami was fired due to an essay he published, arguing that Japan was not an aggressor during World War II, and that the war brought prosperity to China, Taiwan and Korea.   He also argued that the Imperial Japanese Army's conduct was not violent and that the Greater East Asia War is viewed in a positive way by many Asian countries.   He also greatly criticized the war crimes trials that the United States conducted following the war.

When the essay became public knowledge, it caused an international outrage, especially in many of the Asian nations victimized by Japan that he claimed had appreciated the war.   Even here in the USA, it was big news.   Don't you recall this news story??   It received quite a bit of coverage by the national press here.

Every August here where I live, there are annual protests against the United States, accusing the USA of war crimes in the atomic bombings of Tokyo and Nagasaki.  Every August our local press gives this lots of free publicity, and we get to hear year after year what an evil and vile nation we live in here in the USA.

I've read detailed accounts of these protests, and local essays by the leaders that have been published by our local press.  I've never gone to attend one, though, as I honestly would feel compelled to spit on these folks.   I did by pure chance once drive by one of the protests, though, and saw the crowd assembled together to say "Never Again."

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We dropped atomic bombs on Tokyo?

[skribetm]

That's just the Germans being their typical efficient industrious selves. How you murder people have no bearing on your motivation for doing so. The Japanese killed 20-odd million Chinese, mostly civilians, and half a million of them died in medical experiments.

arguing over the degrees/severity of racism is not really important. bottom line is, racism in germany is just the same as racism in japan or in america.
(they all yield the same results in the extreme for the victim = death by oven, mutilation or lynching- respectively).

wonder if the storyline will touch on this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731

[fudgums]

China alone claims that the Japanese killed more of their citizens than the Nazis killed Jews.  

1. Chine "claims", I'd like to see the numbers please.
2. Really, who believes in china  
3. Nazis wiped out a race in the entire continent of Europe.

[TwinEng]

arguing over the degrees/severity of racism is not really important. bottom line is, racism in germany is just the same as racism in japan or in america.
(they all yield the same results in the extreme for the victim = death by oven, mutilation or lynching- respectively).

That is utter nonsense.   You would equate events here in the USA, with events that took place in Nazi Germany, or in the lands occupied by Japan? 

That is inconceivable to me.

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[TwinEng]

3. Nazis wiped out a race in the entire continent of Europe.

Not really.   Many tough Jews survived.   How do you think that the nation of Israel came about, if every Jew was dead?

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[fudgums]

This picture goes for both.




See rules #2,3,4,5, possibly 6 and 14.

[skribetm]

That is utter nonsense.   You would equate events here in the USA, with events that took place in Nazi Germany, or in the lands occupied by Japan?  

That is inconceivable to me.

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as i said, i am weighing it from the viewpoint of the victim. all racism yields the same results for the victim, it does not matter where it is committed.
if you were the one hanging under a tree, wouldn't you share the same views?

is the selling/trading of persons and breaking up of families(for profit) "less brutal" than being gassed in the oven?
is japan's racism practiced in ~five years of war against the chinese "less brutal" than the enslavement/maltreatment of african-americans for over ~150 years?

[Motherland]

1. Chine "claims", I'd like to see the numbers please.
2. Really, who believes in china  
3. Nazis wiped out a race in the entire continent of Europe.

I really hope you're being sarcastic...

[TwinEng]

This picture goes for both.

So instead of debating this any further in a rational manner, all that you can engage in here now is to smear me with this silly Personal Attack in the above image??  


NOTE TO ADMINS:  Since I believe that Fudgums may simply delete this image that he posted in order to conceal the fact that he engaged in a personal attack, I included it above so that you can see exactly what he posted.

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[fudgums]

When I read what you said here and in the past, it seemed right to post the picture...

[TwinEng]

is the selling/trading of persons and breaking up of families(for profit) "less brutal" than being gassed in the oven?

That is a totally invalid comparison that you have made here, as you are talking about different centuries.

Your argument is very similar to those who minimize all of the religious killings being done currently in the name of Islam, by pointing out that the Crusades took place several hundred years ago.

To be fair, you must compare actions that take place in the same era.  

Most societies evolve.  I'm confident that Japan will never again engage in the sort of military aggressions and horrific atrocities that it did last century.

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[SIK1]

1. Chine "claims", I'd like to see the numbers please.
2. Really, who believes in china  
3. Nazis wiped out a race in the entire continent of Europe.

  

[TwinEng]

When I read what you said here and in the past, it seemed right to post the picture...

It is my understanding that personal attacks are not allowed here in this forum.

No doubt you posted this photo in an attempt to be able to easily hide later what you posted.   However, I reposted the image in my reply to you, so the admins will be able to see that you indeed made a personal attack against me.

There is no way now for you to be able to conceal this fact.

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