stop the spawn camping...

[Ack-Ack]

I want Pak-36(r), Zis-2,and Bs-3 AT guns in concrete block houses that are invincible to tanks, and fire at tanks out to  1500yds away, and with a 37mm AA gun that fires at tanks at 1700 yds, so they have a warning that they're about to die. Have them in a ring around the spawn, with the Bs-3's facing towards the front-left and front-right, the Pak-36(r)'s facing toward the sides, and the Zis-2's facing toward the back-left, and back-right.


Have the AT guns 100yds away from the center of the spawn, the 37mm AA gun dead center of the spawn, and the AT guns 100yds out

Sounds like someone was spawn camped and is pouting.  Take a bomber and take out those camping the spawn, end of problem.


ack-ack

[RedTeck]

Spawn camping is something I can't stand either. It's just taking advantage of the circumstance of the game. I'm not referring to camping a hangar either. RL - If a tank can get into a vehicle lager, he would be in position to put a round in all the pretty tanks lined up before their crews would have a chance to get in them. Granted, getting on the field without anyone know would be a bit trickier. AH - If you can get on the field and camp a hanger, OK.  Reinforcing spawns co-located with attacking spawns are what causes the spawn camping problem that has developed in AH, and that so many people seem to think of as normal in here.

Here's a perfect example.

(I went and snapped this picture to demonstrate my point. Just imagine that V85 is a Knight or Bishop base.)

Attacking spawn  - Spawn from a friendly base to an enemy base
Reinforcing spawn - Spawn from a friendly base to a friendly base.

V85, the attacking spawn and reinforcing spawn are on top of each other. "Everyone" loves to go sit there and rack up kills.
V88, the "reinforcements" have to travel longer to from the spawn to the South.

I can't think of a situation in a history where reinforcements called in after an attack started were able to get to the attackers before the defenders of the base in trouble. Yet in AH, if you want to defend V85, you don't up at V85 and drive out to meet the attackers. You just spawn in from the V-base to the North and go camping. V88 is how it should be though. If V88 is attacked from V85, you up at V88 and meet the attackers. If the situation at V88 turns ugly, the hanger is camped for example, you "call in reinforcements" from the base to the South. You have to drive to V88 before you can defend. Every spawn setup should look like V88's. It would be a pain to redo every map, which is why I don't ever expect to see this fixed. Some fields with multiple spawns in would probably still see camping issues.

Everyone loves the meeting spawns because it gives them "instant action!". That is why there should be a TT on every map, all of the bases uncapturable, and none of the airfields should have ordinance. A place to GV fight when you want instant action. A place to furball when you want instant action. That's my $.02.

[VonMessa]

[The Fugitive]

I want Pak-36(r), Zis-2,and Bs-3 AT guns in concrete block houses that are invincible to tanks, and fire at tanks out to  1500yds away, and with a 37mm AA gun that fires at tanks at 1700 yds, so they have a warning that they're about to die. Have them in a ring around the spawn, with the Bs-3's facing towards the front-left and front-right, the Pak-36(r)'s facing toward the sides, and the Zis-2's facing toward the back-left, and back-right.


Have the AT guns 100yds away from the center of the spawn, the 37mm AA gun dead center of the spawn, and the AT guns 100yds out

Spawn camping? How often does that happen   

[ACE]

Not being the bad guy...but everybody has spawn camped at one point or another... so why complain 

[BigKev03]

Sounds like someone got blown up a few times today. Go bomb the crap out of them, take a single Ju88 with the 4 big bombs and the 20 little ones, talk about mess up their day.

Ah, yes my friend I love dive bombing in the JU88.  With those 4 500kg bombs that is a lot of hurt going down.  Then the 20 50kg bombs left you can carpet bomb an area.   Just keep those pesky fighters off me!!

Between the JU87 and the JU88 I am finally becoming proficient at bombing.

BigKev

[Nemisis]

I don't understand why you're whining about spawn campers when you do it yourself. If someone is determined to take a base or defend one, they are going to do whatever they can get away with to grab it...and if you're silly enough to let their actions bother you to the point where you get on the forums to spout your displeasure...that is a truly sad life.

I try to avoid it. yesterday, 5 GV's upped at V43, and instead of spawn camping, I brought down 3 before being dragged down by a panzer who reupped, a T-37/76, and a T-34/85. I would call that a fair fight, dispite firing from the best cover I could find, just as I would concider it a fair fight had they done the same to me.

I was spawn camping at V85 yesterday (they had V88) because we had 5 guys on spot, a CV off shore, and mass uppers. As I said, we had several M3's on the field at one point, and one even got a few troops into the maproom. We barely held onto V85, and even then, we where continually harassed by AC that kept wirbs upping.

Reasons I would spawn camp, jus for knite, since he has trouble understanding. Unless under two of the three circumstances in the first bolded section, I try to avoid camping.


Ack-Ack, I want these because it is a way to stop, or atleast slow, spawn camping without supporting bomb****ing, and wrecking a GV fight with A/C. I hate when an A-20 comes in and kills a good fight, when one side of the other puts a cap on TT, or when people drop hangers on a good fight.

[lyric1]

I was one long ago wanted the old TT changed I thought it was too gamey too many bombs falling to many spawn campers jeeps inside my tank too may hills too many trees on & on & on for ever with how bad it was. Well they fixed it & guess what it sucks.

At one time you could log on to that map & no matter what always a hive of activity at any time of the day. Since the fixes you can hear crickets fart because no one is there. So be careful in what you ask for you may get it & find your self the only person sitting in a field all alone.

[Ack-Ack]

Ack-Ack, I want these because it is a way to stop, or atleast slow, spawn camping without supporting bomb****ing, and wrecking a GV fight with A/C. I hate when an A-20 comes in and kills a good fight, when one side of the other puts a cap on TT, or when people drop hangers on a good fight.

Cry me a river.  If you don't want to be bombed in a GV then spawn some Osties and flak panzies for AA or ask squadron mates to fly top cover for your GVs.  GV'ers that whine about being bombed will get no sympathy from me, it's part of the game and the game gives you tools to protect yourself from air attacks.  Use them or perish, it's your choice.

ack-ack

[dkff49]

Here's a perfect example.
(Image removed from quote.)
(I went and snapped this picture to demonstrate my point. Just imagine that V85 is a Knight or Bishop base.)

Attacking spawn  - Spawn from a friendly base to an enemy base
Reinforcing spawn - Spawn from a friendly base to a friendly base.

V85, the attacking spawn and reinforcing spawn are on top of each other. "Everyone" loves to go sit there and rack up kills.

I love those. I don't get into the whole base take/ defend game. What I do get into though is fighting and those spawns generate some of the best gv fighting in the game IMO. I have seen lotsof spawns get busted in those situations.

[shreck]

Spawns much further apart and a "capture the flag" set up would cure most if not all spawn camping    IMO
It would also be nice to spawn from all hangars at a Vbase instead of one!

[Jayhawk]

The tools are available to you to solve the problem.  You can either learn how to use them and utilize them, or think they should change the game because it would make it easier for you.

[Nemisis]

You do know thats like saying "if they camp you, bomb them, and when they call in fighters, kill the fighters while bombing the GV's, and if you and the 5 fighters flying nearby can't deal with the 25+ fighters trying to kill you and bombing your GV's then it sucks to be you", as that is what will happen and you know it.

Really, this won't STOP camping, as there will always be the guys who can camp a spawn from 2500yds and up with an M4 or tiger. All it will do is keep a hoard of 10 newbs who just want the kills from parking behind the spawn and killing all the uppers, which is mostly what spawn camping is. I know that sometime you have to camp to keep a base, like we did at V85, but that was 5 guys, with 1 at 2000yds off killing what escaped (he landed something like 15 kills during one of the little breaks).

[caldera]

I try to avoid it. yesterday, 5 GV's upped at V43, and instead of spawn camping, I brought down 3 before being dragged down by a panzer who reupped, a T-37/76, and a T-34/85. I would call that a fair fight, dispite firing from the best cover I could find, just as I would concider it a fair fight had they done the same to me.

I was spawn camping at V85 yesterday (they had V88) because we had 5 guys on spot, a CV off shore, and mass uppers. As I said, we had several M3's on the field at one point, and one even got a few troops into the maproom. We barely held onto V85, and even then, we where continually harassed by AC that kept wirbs upping.

Reasons I would spawn camp, jus for knite, since he has trouble understanding. Unless under two of the three circumstances in the first bolded section, I try to avoid camping.


Ack-Ack, I want these because it is a way to stop, or atleast slow, spawn camping without supporting bomb****ing, and wrecking a GV fight with A/C. I hate when an A-20 comes in and kills a good fight, when one side of the other puts a cap on TT, or when people drop hangers on a good fight.

You don't want to support bomb****ing, yet you put up a thread in the Bug Forum complaining about 4,000 lb bombs not being able to kill a tank seconds after they spawn in.  I guess bomb****ing is OK when your doing it. 


here is your quote which incidentally also mentions you spawn camping:

"Second, sometimes tanks aren't "solid" for a few seconds after upping. Rounds will just pass through them, or have no effect on them. I've seen a 4000lb bomb from a stuka land ON one and have no effect what so ever."

[Nemisis]

I wasn't doing it, I SAW hit happen, that doesn't mean I DID it. You're so caught up trying to kill this thread, you WON'T read it seems  .


Caldera, I suggest you don't just skim through a post, but read every word in the scentence. I asked the guy not to kill tank that are already being fired at (had 2 shells on him and the gun was reloading).