Me 109G-14AS Lt. Willi Trabert 11./JG300 "Schlawiener" W.I.P

[Mus51]

http://www.jg300.de/me-109g-14as-lt-willi-trabert.phtml

I've seen profiles of it a red 3 and some with a green 3. I've also seen one with a black right undersurface of the wing.

Can someone help me out wich profile is correct? I'm posting screenshots as soon as i got something that look like the first profile.


Thanks in Advance

[Mus51]

First look of it in game, im quite happy already how the colours worked out.

[Mus51]

Known bugs:

- The black luftwaffe cross on the rear fuselage needs to be bigger
- The green '3' needs lengthening
- The noseart needs to be smaller and lower on the left nose.
- The nosecone needs more contrast and brighter white stripes

Im also not sure if the black cross needs to be black or in RLM82 colors.

[oboe]

Beautiful work, but if the profile/art work is accurate, wouldn't there be a swastika on the tail?

[Krusty]

I would suggest that there are too many well defined stencils. You don't see the numbers on the fuselage ribs after the F models much, and in a late 1944 G-14 model you're going to see only the basics as they get painted and repainted so often.

Unless you have specific photographic evidence otherwise, I think all the red "press here" marks, the fuselage numbers, the red wing walk areas, and especially the "nur hier" markings would all be absent.

Many did not even have the "vorsicht beim cooler im haus" or whatever it says on the chin panel. By then the ground crews were quite well trained and they just did not need these, and never repainted them (or in some cases I'm quite sure they were never painted to begin with!).


P.S. Oboe, many places went "PC" a while back. You will see Japanese manufacturers obscure them like on the box art for the Hasegawa G-14 below the profile. I guess it depends on where the artist that created the profile lives.

[hammer]

Personally, I like the black diamonds on the tails. Luftwaffe birds just don't look right with big, blank tails.

  Skinners!

Regards,

Hammer

[Krusty]

Most disagree.

That's another thing I didn't notice on the skin.

Mus, you know that diamond wasn't on the real plane, right? That's a modern cover-up of a non-politically-correct swastika, right?

Just checking.

I presonally think the diamonds are simply drawing MORE attention to the fact it's missing, rather than its absence. What if you had a RAF hurricane, and you had to choose between making a circular british roundel in place of the fin flash, or just leaving the fin flash off? IMO (and a number of others seem to agree) leaving it blank draws less attention to the fact it's missing.

[hammer]

Most disagree.

I know. It's like the time everybody was wrong except me!   

[Mus51]

In these photo's it shows it flew around with a swastika.



It also clearly shows the markings on the front part cowling



As for the black box on the tail, i prefer it over the absense of a swastika and this black box is in all the profiles i've seen except for the real photo's shown here. Since i noticed it now, the black box needs to be bigger.

I can try reducing the opacity of the markings too.

[Krusty]

Well, naturally ALL 109s flew with the swastika in place (discounting 1-2 very specific cases). I'm not saying they didn't. The black diamond in place of a swasti is a much more recent and localized phenomenon on color profiles, and IMO more of a minority.

Looking at your photo (nice on, by the way!) it does show the caution and (as always) the triangle by the filling spout, but it doesn't explicitly look like they have the red indicators on the cowling clasps, and no G-14s that I can think of had the other minutae.

Definitely looks good, I'm just sweating the smaller details.

[Nr_RaVeN]

looking good. Nice color for sure.
 

[Greebo]

Very nice skin Mus51. 

[lyric1]

 

[Krusty]

I don't know if you have finished this or not, but I noticed a couple minor details in the screenshots when browsing them again recently:

1) Unless there's something else at work that I can't see, the camo on the v-stab extends below the H-stabs, and can be seen undernearth them. Crop it off or pull it up, or something, maybe?

2) The charger intake has this crescent-shaped "collar" that goes behind the intake on the leading edge where it blends into the cowling. It's a solid color in the screenshot. You can skin it so the color fades halfway down to match the upper surfaces of the charge fading into the side colors of the cowling. A minor detail, but worth mentioning.

[Karnak]

P.S. Oboe, many places went "PC" a while back. You will see Japanese manufacturers obscure them like on the box art for the Hasegawa G-14 below the profile. I guess it depends on where the artist that created the profile lives.

Oh, BS!  By "a while back" Krusty means way before the term "politically correct" was coined, all the way back the the immediate aftermath of WWII when the symbol was outlawed in places like Germany and France.  I have never seen anybody in the US quibble about it being on things like German airplanes in computer games.