Mustang Mk I

[lyric1]

To be fair, that's 1 in every 6, and the US used them for armed recon and light attack work (strafing) in the MTO. I can't recall if they were called F4s or F5s or what, but essentially the same plane with a camera mounted behind the pilot's headrest and a bubbled for the lense to look out.

F5'S 

[Guppy35]

To be fair, that's 1 in every 6, and the US used them for armed recon and light attack work (strafing) in the MTO. I can't recall if they were called F4s or F5s or what, but essentially the same plane with a camera mounted behind the pilot's headrest and a bubbled for the lense to look out.

On the one hand, I wouldn't want to see them abused as badly as I bet they would be. On the other hand, I bet folks that generally would HO and run wouldn't get too far because of the atrocious performance. It would be like a P-40 with cannons. Sure, it's got the cannons, but so does a typthie/tempest!

If HTC ever gets the perked ord working, and we get the A-36/Mustang Mk.I, I'd like to see the 50cal option and then a slightly perked 20mm option. It would have its uses, including taking towns down.

Out of curiousity, anybody know how much ammo they stored per gun? The C-hog has craploads of ammo, but the british planes tend to be really conservative. It's a US plane, but built for the RAF, so I wonder whether it leans to the light ammo load or the heavy ammo load.

Krusty there were 150 built total.  the USAAF ones were the ones that they kept from the RAF order.

[Krusty]

Yes, I know.

150 compared to 600+

That's still 1 out of every 6 or 7 planes having the cannon armament. I know, less than 20%, but not something to totally forget about 

[Guppy35]

Yes, I know.

150 compared to 600+

That's still 1 out of every 6 or 7 planes having the cannon armament. I know, less than 20%, but not something to totally forget about 

That is the number of RAF mg armed Allison 51s.  There were 500 A36s for the USAAF and 310 P51A for the USAAF.  So you are talking about 150 out of 1400 or so birds.

Look at it this way.  I love the Spitfire XII.  It's been a passion of mine as a history project since 1980. Did it have a significant role in Spitfire history?  Sure did.  Got the Griffon engine into combat in the Spitfire.  Highest scoring Spit Wing in the Fall of 43 was the Tangmere Wing made up of the two Spit XII squadrons.  Would I like it someday in AH?  Sure.  I think the whines would be tremendous since it was such a good low alt performer.  Think AH Spit XVI but in 1943 instead of 45.  But there were only 100 built, and in the overall scheme of things it is way down the list in my mind of planes that HTC should work on for the game.

[Krusty]

That is the number of RAF mg armed Allison 51s.  There were 500 A36s for the USAAF and 310 P51A for the USAAF.  So you are talking about 150 out of 1400 or so birds.

Ah, I getcha now. I thought that was total

[morfiend]

 Dan I agree with you whole heartily,at some point I'd like to see the spit XII and the P51A/A36 but like you I think there's much more important planes that need adding long before these 2.The limitations of the planeset make it rather difficult for the CM's to put together certain scenarios.

   

[B3YT]

Krusty there were 150 built total.  the USAAF ones were the ones that they kept from the RAF order.

that not true the USAAF ordered 150 themselves not including the RAF with quad cannons.  . the USAAF kept only 53 of the 150 sent to europe.   and it was the F-6A was armed recon mustang

[kingcobradude]

Not many, if any, 20 mm cannon armed p51s existed. and why use 20 mm cannon when 6x50 cal can do the same damage at longer range.

[Ack-Ack]

The early Mustangs only had 4x .50 cals, not 6.

ack-ack

[Kazaa]

You are probably right Kazaa and you have good reason to fear a plane you could not fly well.

If I should be scared of not flying it well, then you should be wetting your pants just at the thought of trying to take-off in one.

[Karnak]

Not many, if any, 20 mm cannon armed p51s existed. and why use 20 mm cannon when 6x50 cal can do the same damage at longer range.

Because six .50 cals can't do the same damage at longer range.....  Six .50 cals are the equivalent of two 20mm Hispanos, not four, and their range is the same.

[AWwrgwy]

The early Mustangs only had 4x .50 cals, not 6.

ack-ack

4 in the wings plus 2 under the nose = 6.  British had 4 .50s and 4 303s.


wrongway

[Ack-Ack]

4 in the wings plus 2 under the nose = 6.  British had 4 .50s and 4 303s.


wrongway

The first fighter version of the Mustang the USAAF received (P-51A) had 4x .50 caliber machine guns, two on each wing.

ack-ack

[Krusty]

They had 2 .50cals under the nose. as well. From the earlist version I thought they always had this. Later it was removed in the P-51B because of difficulties accessing them and reduced space due to the new engine setup.

It's also one of the reasons the Italians dropped them on the G.55 -- too hard to service and get to under there.

[Guppy35]

They had 2 .50cals under the nose. as well. From the earlist version I thought they always had this. Later it was removed in the P-51B because of difficulties accessing them and reduced space due to the new engine setup.

It's also one of the reasons the Italians dropped them on the G.55 -- too hard to service and get to under there.

The A36 had he two 50s under the nose for the USAAF.  The Allison P51 used by the USAAF had 4 50s.  The RAF got a few of those designated Mustang II.