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Re: Mustang Mk I
« Reply #105 on: April 07, 2010, 06:15:16 PM »
Thrash, please go back and get a clue first on both the P51B/C and the Spitfire LFIXe/XVIe.


Your comments are so off the mark, I don't know if it's even worth trying to explain it
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Re: Mustang Mk I
« Reply #106 on: April 07, 2010, 06:46:47 PM »
We'll start with an easy one Thrash.

One of these is a P51B-15NA built in California.  The other is a P51C-10NT built in Texas.  Which is which.  How can you tell.


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Re: Mustang Mk I
« Reply #107 on: April 07, 2010, 07:03:19 PM »
The C model was improved with the guns and didn't have the jamming in the guns most of the time like the B model did. If we have all spit models, why not add all the P-51 models. Plus all of them saw action, unlike spit 16 had only seen 23 hours of combat service but didn't have 1 kill recorded. :airplane:

The only difference between the P-51B and the P-51C is the location of production.  B = Inglewood, California and C = Dallas, Texas.  That's the only difference. 

The C model's guns were just as prone to jamming as the B model guns because they were the same plane.  The .50 cals on the A, B and C models were mounted at an extreme side angle to allow access to the feed chutes from the ammunition trays.  This angled mounting had caused problems leading to frequent complaints of jamming during combat maneuvers.  This wasn't fixed until the D model came out with the .50 cals mounted upright instead of a side angle.  Some P-51B/C models were upgraded with the new .50 cal mounting layout but not sure if it was common to all P-51B/Cs or just a few that did the upgrade on the field.

Also, Spitfire Mk XVI had more than 23 hours of combat service and did record kills in combat.  Where ever you got your information, that source is widely inaccurate as your claim that all Mustangs saw combat action.  Hell, the Spitfire Mk XVI saw more combat action than the P-51H ever saw while in service.


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Re: Mustang Mk I
« Reply #108 on: April 07, 2010, 08:23:34 PM »
We'll start with an easy one Thrash.

One of these is a P51B-15NA built in California.  The other is a P51C-10NT built in Texas.  Which is which.  How can you tell.

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Re: Mustang Mk I
« Reply #109 on: April 07, 2010, 08:32:53 PM »
Better not tell folks that Grumman and and General Motors made Avengers..  Of course this may call for Ford built B24s, Vega built B17s and of course Brewster, Vought and General Motors made Corsairs too :)
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Re: Mustang Mk I
« Reply #110 on: April 07, 2010, 08:37:15 PM »
The only difference between the P-51B and the P-51C is the location of production.  B = Inglewood, California and C = Dallas, Texas.  That's the only difference.  

The C model's guns were just as prone to jamming as the B model guns because they were the same plane.  The .50 cals on the A, B and C models were mounted at an extreme side angle to allow access to the feed chutes from the ammunition trays.  This angled mounting had caused problems leading to frequent complaints of jamming during combat maneuvers.  This wasn't fixed until the D model came out with the .50 cals mounted upright instead of a side angle.  Some P-51B/C models were upgraded with the new .50 cal mounting layout but not sure if it was common to all P-51B/Cs or just a few that did the upgrade on the field.

Also, Spitfire Mk XVI had more than 23 hours of combat service and did record kills in combat.  Where ever you got your information, that source is widely inaccurate as your claim that all Mustangs saw combat action.  Hell, the Spitfire Mk XVI saw more combat action than the P-51H ever saw while in service.


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Yes the H model saw action, I'm pretty sure it even scored more kills then what you say spit 16 had some kills, to me the P-51H was just a reconnaissance plane instead of a fighter, and I really don't care were the 51B and C were manufactured, if they saw action then they should be included. What's the website you got the info off of the Spit 16, cause I sure as hell didn't see anything of recorded kills by it. I googled, yahoo, WWII searched it, and I found nothing but pics of the plane.

BTW: The only difference with the B and C was an engine change in which it had made it been able to go to high alt escorts for the B-17s, and better fuelage was then added for longer range. Not because of a state difference
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Re: Mustang Mk I
« Reply #111 on: April 07, 2010, 08:46:40 PM »
We'll start with an easy one Thrash.

One of these is a P51B-15NA built in California.  The other is a P51C-10NT built in Texas.  Which is which.  How can you tell.

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  First off both look the same, second you can't even tell with a view like that!

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Re: Mustang Mk I
« Reply #112 on: April 07, 2010, 09:03:02 PM »
Yes the H model saw action, I'm pretty sure it even scored more kills then what you say spit 16 had some kills, to me the P-51H was just a reconnaissance plane instead of a fighter

Please, tell us in which war the P-51H saw any combat action, let alone shot down any planes.  I'm very curious to know since the P-51H never saw any combat action in WW2 and was deemed unsuitable for combat operations in Korea.

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and I really don't care were the 51B and C were manufactured, if they saw action then they should be included.

And there is the reason for your ignorance.  If you had cared to find out this little nugget of information, you wouldn't sound like such an ignorant tool when you post about airplanes.

The B and the C are in the game as the C is the exact same plane as the B model.  If you want to fly the C model in the game, just take off in a B model and pretend it was built in Texas instead of California.  Now, you've got your C model.

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What's the website you got the info off of the Spit 16, cause I sure as hell didn't see anything of recorded kills by it. I googled, yahoo, WWII searched it, and I found nothing but pics of the plane.

You can find that information very readily in this forum.  I believe it was the Canadian squadrons that had the most success with the Mk XVI and the ones that scored most of the kills in this Spitfire.

By the way, the mistaken belief that the Spitfire Mk XVI only had less than 30 hours of combat service total is incorrectly based of the flight record of a single Spitfire Mk XVI (pictured below).  This particular Spitfire Mk XVI only had 24 hours of combat operations before the war ended, this is where the mistake stems from.  




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BTW: The only difference with the B and C was an engine change in which it had suffered from high alt escorts, and better fuelage was then added for longer range. Not because of a state difference

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P-51B specifications
Model   P-51B
Production   1988
Plant   Inglewood, California
Length   32.25
Height   13.67
Wingspan   37.04
Weight - empty   6985
Weight - normal T.O.   9,800
Weight - max G.W.   11,800
Powerplant   Packard (Rolls Royce) V-1650-3, -7
Horsepower   1380, 1490
Propeller  -  Hamilton Standard 11'2" 4-blade  
Max Speed   439 mph at 25k feet
Service Ceiling   41,800
Fuel Capacity   180, 269
Drop Tanks   2x 75 or 2x 108
Range   1,180 and 1,900 w/DT
Armament   4x .50 cal. - 1260 rounds
(2) 1,000 lb bombs or rockets

P-51C specifications
Model   P-51C
Production  1750
Plant   Dallas, Texas
Length   32.25
Height   13.67
Wingspan   37.04
Weight - empty   6985
Weight - normal T.O.   9,800
Weight - max G.W.   11,800
Powerplant   Packard (Rolls Royce) V-1650-3, -7
Horsepower   1380, 1490
Propeller  -  Hamilton Standard 11'2" 4-blade  
Max Speed   439 mph at 25k feet
Service Ceiling   41,800
Fuel Capacity   180, 269
Drop Tanks   2x 75 or 2x 108
Range   1,180 and 1,900 w/DT
Armament   4x .50 cal. - 1260 rounds
(2) 1,000 lb bombs or rockets

Looking at the specifications for both the P-51B and the P-51C, tell us where the difference between the two planes are other than point of manufacturer.  In case you can't see it, I bolded your statement about the B and C having two different engines in the quote from you.  As you can see in the highlighted portion in the plane specifications, they both used the same Packard (Merlin) engine.

Seriously, can't you take some time to learn about the planes you fly in this game?


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Re: Mustang Mk I
« Reply #113 on: April 07, 2010, 09:21:07 PM »
  First off both look the same, second you can't even tell with a view like that!


That's the point he's making....other than being made in two seperate places there is no difference between the B and the C.


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Re: Mustang Mk I
« Reply #114 on: April 07, 2010, 09:33:58 PM »
That's the point he's making....other than being made in two seperate places there is no difference between the B and the C.


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It's enough to make ya weep sometimes AKAK.  Absolutely amazing.  I think he's mixing up P51A with B and B with C.

OK which one is the Spitfire IX an which one is the Spitfire XVI?


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Re: Mustang Mk I
« Reply #115 on: April 07, 2010, 09:50:14 PM »
what about one of those mustangs that have that bulge in the birdcage canopy?
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Re: Mustang Mk I
« Reply #116 on: April 07, 2010, 10:13:51 PM »
what about one of those mustangs that have that bulge in the birdcage canopy?

Do you mean the Malcom Hood that was fitted to many of the B and C Mustangs that went to England?  That replaced the original canopy to give better visibility. 
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« Reply #117 on: April 07, 2010, 10:21:04 PM »
yes give us one of those
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Re: Mustang Mk I
« Reply #118 on: April 07, 2010, 10:35:45 PM »
Dude, have you even TRIED flying the P-51 in-game?

Seriously? Based on your reply, I'm going to say "no"

So please don't make comments like that unless you really care enough to up a P-51B in game once. JUST ONCE.

Because if you had, you'd never have made such a stupid comment.

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Re: Mustang Mk I
« Reply #119 on: April 07, 2010, 10:58:27 PM »
yes give us one of those

I don't think there is a "facepalm' big enough for this.
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