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Offline Guymed

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North American A-36 Apache
« on: April 02, 2010, 06:27:31 PM »
The A-36 is a redesigned P-51 as some of you people know. It was meant to fly the dive bombing role.

Here's is why it should be included in the game.

*It had a significant service record throughout Italy and the CBI (China-Burma-India) theaters.
*It featured a model with 20mm Hispano autocannons.
*It had an air-to-air record of 80-something kills, pretty large for a dive bomber.
*They were stable and quiet.
*It has a significant squadron record, and was great in coordination.

Now, here are some reasons why it shouldn't be in the game.

*HTC would have to make another plane model, even though the P-51 is very similar.
*It has a bad engine disadvantage when flying at high altitudes.
*When fighting faster and higher flying fighters, they suffered losses due to the disadvantage above.
*The P-51 is already in the game, and can fulfill the same role at much more ease. (Though, having the A-36 still poses and larger historical experience, which is another reason to add it to the game)

Excuse my use of the term "game", it's more of a sim...

Now for the specs.

Crew: 1
Length: 32 Feet, 3 Inches
Wingspan: 37 Feet
Powerplant: 1× Allison V-1710-87 Water-cooled V12 Piston at 1,325 hp
Max Speed: 365MPH
Range: 550 Miles
Ceiling: 25,000 Feet

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Re: North American A-36 Apache
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2010, 07:33:04 PM »
Didn't have canunz.


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Re: North American A-36 Apache
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2010, 07:44:04 PM »
LOL enough to make ya weep sometimes with the sneak the 4 cannon Mustang in crowd.

In terms of historical significance, the RAF and USAAF Allison Mustangs with the MG armament were far more significant.  A36 would be part of that crowd.

4 cannons way way down the list in terms of history.
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Re: North American A-36 Apache
« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2010, 07:55:33 PM »
Please, someone post a picture of an A-36 with 20mm cannons.  The first person that can post one from an operational squadron will win a date with Mensa.  Somehow, I think Mensa is going to end up dateless.


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Re: North American A-36 Apache
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2010, 08:56:30 PM »
Yikes. Time to get mensa signed up for EHarmony.com.  :neener:
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Re: North American A-36 Apache
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2010, 06:51:15 PM »
Maybe I was wrong about the 20 mills but the aircraft itself would be a good addition to the game. So far the only designated American dive bombers in the game are the A-20 and SBD-5, I want to see more.

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Re: North American A-36 Apache
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2010, 09:45:22 PM »
Maybe I was wrong about the 20 mills but the aircraft itself would be a good addition to the game. So far the only designated American dive bombers in the game are the A-20 and SBD-5, I want to see more.
You realize the Germans and Japanese have one each, so the Americans are not exactly underrepresented.
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Re: North American A-36 Apache
« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2010, 10:32:38 PM »
Maybe I was wrong about the 20 mills but the aircraft itself would be a good addition to the game. So far the only designated American dive bombers in the game are the A-20 and SBD-5, I want to see more.

The only real dive bomber the US has is the SBD-5.  The A-20G was an attack/intruder aircraft and not a dive bomber.  Besides, the US plane set includes planes like the P-47, P-38 and P-51B/D which were all very good in the dive bombing role.  Hell, most of the US fighters in the plane set were excellent dive bombers.


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Re: North American A-36 Apache
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2010, 09:00:54 AM »
The only real dive bomber the US has is the SBD-5.  The A-20G was an attack/intruder aircraft and not a dive bomber.  Besides, the US plane set includes planes like the P-47, P-38 and P-51B/D which were all very good in the dive bombing role.  Hell, most of the US fighters in the plane set were excellent dive bombers.


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F6F and the F4U are no slouch when dive bombing too.
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Re: North American A-36 Apache
« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2010, 02:11:14 PM »
Guymed: These guys are scared to death of the A36. It will never be in the game for that reason alone. It doesnt matter that it was the best dive-bombing American plane of the war... they fear it. It would 'own.'

The cannon P-51/Mustang 1A could not carry bombs but they are even more frightened of it.
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Re: North American A-36 Apache
« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2010, 02:24:44 PM »
Guymed: These guys are scared to death of the A36. It will never be in the game for that reason alone. It doesnt matter that it was the best dive-bombing American plane of the war... they fear it. It would 'own.'

The cannon P-51/Mustang 1A could not carry bombs but they are even more frightened of it.
In your dreams.  The P-51 is an easy kill for a Mossie in most cases.  I am pretty sure it shouldn't be, so if I were you I'd be asking them to look at the P-51's flight model rather than trying to get 20mm cannons on your airplane because the .50s aren't good enough for you.

The reason we don't support your lies about the quad 20mm P-51 is because we want aircraft added that actually played a significant part in the war before footnotes get added.
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Re: North American A-36 Apache
« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2010, 03:49:09 PM »
Guymed: These guys are scared to death of the A36. It will never be in the game for that reason alone. It doesnt matter that it was the best dive-bombing American plane of the war... they fear it. It would 'own.'

The cannon P-51/Mustang 1A could not carry bombs but they are even more frightened of it.
*sarcasm* So, basically, the addition of aircraft is based on whether or not high-ranking players think it owns them or not? *sarcasm*

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Re: North American A-36 Apache
« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2010, 06:56:18 PM »
Now your catching on. Note the same fanbois always respond in the negative? Its fear.
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Re: North American A-36 Apache
« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2010, 08:39:30 PM »
Now your catching on. Note the same fanbois always respond in the negative? Its fear.

Guymed: You seem new. Ignore challenge. He's making sarcastic comments and you're taking them seriously.

Please use the SEARCH function in this forum and search for similar threads to this. You will see it has been requested and discussed many many MANY times over many years, and you may find a lot of interesting info and opinions.


P.S. HTC does read these forums and does take suggestions and implement them. They just don't always reply and don't do it "just because" -- they think and decide for themselves if it's worthy or interesting. As for planes requests, I think they've got their own list. Doesn't hurt to make a suggestion, but chances are in the 10 years this game has been running most everything has already been requested at one point or another.

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Re: North American A-36 Apache
« Reply #14 on: April 04, 2010, 08:43:48 PM »
Now your catching on. Note the same fanbois always respond in the negative? Its fear.

LOL you tell em Challenge!

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