50 cal vs. Wirbelwind Damage Model

[waystin2]

Erm yes there is. The turret is OPEN to the rest of the occupant compartment. How do you think they facilitated movement of ammo from hull to turret?

I am trying hard to find some pics.  Will advise...

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

I perceive this as your opinion and not necessarily HTC's.  I respect and understand your insight, but this is a whole new can of worms that I would not want to open.  Imagine being killed in a tank while in the commanders position at your machinegun, being killed in your bomber or PT boat while in a gunners position ...  What a gripe fest it would cause.  Thank you for the mention that it may be a bug, I am wondering if I put this into the wrong forum.

You are free to perceive it as you wish. You can be killed by gun fire in a bomber while at a gunners post. It happened to me, and I used to keep the film as proof. I have also been killed by gun fire in a GV while in the driver's position and not "buttoned up". I can't see how anyone would have an issue with being killed because the occupant of that position was killed by gun fire. Expecting to be invulnerable to gun fire in any position is rather ludicrous. If you can be killed by gun fire while in the pilot's position in a bomber, why would you expect NOT to be killed if you jump to a gun position and it is hit by gun fire? Why would you expect a GV to be any different?

The commander of a PT boat stands right out in the open, and he can be killed there. You think he should be able to jump to a gun and NOT be killed by gun fire while there? You expect not to be killed when occupying a tank commander's position if the tank is not "buttoned up"? You think you should enjoy the field of view advantage while remaining invulnerable to gun fire?

I find your position to be lacking in logic. Gun fire kills in this game, why would you expect not to die if hit by gun fire just because you are in a particular position, or not in a particular position? What you are saying makes no sense at all.

[waystin2]

Hello Virgil,

First it has never been modeled that way in the WW since it's inclusion.  I agree with you as far as the reality of the situation.  Please no harm no foul here, just trying to get to the bottom of it.  Your word is appreciated, but nowhere near enough to settle the issue.  If HTC corrects or changes they announce it as so.  It has not been announced as so.  Therefore it must be a bug.  I thank you for helping me logic this through.

 

Way

[oakranger]

forget that i had 55 rounds left in only two of my P51Ds guns and i strafed a WW to death the other day... something is wrong with the WW

Well, there may be.  I to have put...a dozen rounds of .50 cal in a WW and took it out. I don't know. 

[hitech]

There were no intentional changes to the GV's that I know of. We always do our best to include any modeling changes in the read me. So can you state again what has changed from previous versions?

HiTech

[waystin2]

There were no intentional changes to the GV's that I know of. We always do our best to include any modeling changes in the read me. So can you state again what has changed from previous versions?

HiTech

Hello Hitech,

Since the inception of the WW it had always taken repeated passes with a cannon bird to kill a Wirbel.  I have recently been gunned down and killed by the likes of a P40 (equipped with 4 .50 ).  This just has never happened.  Coincidence? Lucky shots? Bug?  I do not know... Just curious Sir as to what is going on.  Thank you for your response and I am earnestly trying to reproduce the results.

Sincerely,

Way

[waystin2]

Film of a P40E making two gun only passes on WW and getting kill:

http://www.mediafire.com/file/g3mmonmc2mk/2 pas p40e wirbel kill.ahf

[321BAR]

Hello Hitech,

Since the inception of the WW it had always taken repeated passes with a cannon bird to kill a Wirbel.  I have recently been gunned down and killed by the likes of a P40 (equipped with 4 .50 ).  This just has never happened.  Coincidence? Lucky shots? Bug?  I do not know... Just curious Sir as to what is going on.  Thank you for your response and I am earnestly trying to reproduce the results.

Sincerely,

Way

also include the fact that the ostwind does NOT act like this. you still need alot of cannon on the top to kill an osti. the .303 and .50 will still take out the turret but will not destroy the platform

[Krupinski]

Film of a P40E making two gun only passes on WW and getting kill:

http://www.mediafire.com/file/g3mmonmc2mk/2 pas p40e wirbel kill.ahf

Same film but from my perspective.

http://www.mediafire.com/?dzoyml03yyy

[guncrasher]

also include the fact that the ostwind does NOT act like this. you still need alot of cannon on the top to kill an osti. the .303 and .50 will still take out the turret but will not destroy the platform

osties's turrent can be destroyed easily with one pass with spit cannon. with  303?  I never have taken out a turret.  ostie can easily  be killed with cannon fire from above.  werbie is doable but it has taken me most of 240 cannon rounds from a spitfire but never with mg.  on the other hand I have gotten killed by the mg from a werbie while I was in an ostie after only a short burst. 


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[Greziz]

I have noticed that the ww and OSTIE can die to 50 cals I have had it happen to me in both vehicles personally and I have even strafed a couple of ww's to death with my 2 nose 50's in my 39 q if you come in at about a 50-60 degree angle and spam away at the top of the ww it poofs you pull up hard and try to dodge the ground.

[oakranger]

I have noticed that the ww and OSTIE can die to 50 cals I have had it happen to me in both vehicles personally and I have even strafed a couple of ww's to death with my 2 nose 50's in my 39 q if you come in at about a 50-60 degree angle and spam away at the top of the ww it poofs you pull up hard and try to dodge the ground.

Yea, i have feed both flacks with my eight .50 cals.  bye-bye they go.  I wondering if people are starting to learned how to kill these flacks and using the tactics more often. 

[waystin2]

Yea, i have feed both flacks with my eight .50 cals.  bye-bye they go.  I wondering if people are starting to learned how to kill these flacks and using the tactics more often. 

First of all <S> Oak.  Are folks getting more savvy on how to kill Wirbels?  Yes.  However, they should not be able to do so with light cannon or machinegun bullets.  I have extensive experience in the Wirbelwind, and the only planes that were able to originally kill it with guns in minimal passes were: the IL-2, Hurri D, and the B-25.  Honorable mentions to the 110, Yak9T.  Never a light cannoned bird let alone a bird that only has machinegun bullets.  If you view the film you will see that the test was carefully choregraphed.  I asked Fear to target the front glacial armor on the WW.  This is the thickest armor on this vehicle.  I am saying that something has changed that would allow two passes with a 6 gun .50 cal bird to get a kill.  There is no way that .50 cals can achieve penetration on this armor.  The WW is far softer of target, and I think it merits inspection by HTC.

 

Way

[hitech]

We did some looking and found the problem, it should be back the way it was on the next release.

HiTech

[Ack-Ack]

also include the fact that the ostwind does NOT act like this. you still need alot of cannon on the top to kill an osti. the .303 and .50 will still take out the turret but will not destroy the platform

You can kill an Ostie (i.e. make it go BOOM!) with .50s.  I described how to do it in another thread.


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