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Re: Netbook or Ipad?
« Reply #60 on: April 28, 2010, 03:46:40 PM »
I wouldnt say its a bad thing for guys making apps.  :D
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Re: Netbook or Ipad?
« Reply #61 on: April 28, 2010, 04:32:52 PM »
Interesting reading so far....

The single biggest point that is largely unabsorbed is that the ipad is not really a computer in the traditional sense. It's primary conceptual point is the evolution of connectivity not computation per se. So it's not really meant to replace a laptop or netbook but to offer an alternative with a specific alternative functionality.

So all of the comments are a bit off in that sense. The value that the ipad offers is currently marginal and in a few years my guess is that apple overall will join AOL as an MBA case study in how not to grow and prosper but without doubt the iphone and ipad have brought cloud based architecture to the mainstream. While true traction is still a few years off within a relatively short time frame we'll see the migration to mainstream cloud-based OS deployment.

All the talk about what the thing will and won't do is akin to folks in 1895 talking about why a horse is so much better then an automobile. The flip side is that 99% of the population can't even tell you who the 1st production manufacturer of automobiles (in US) was (Durea 1896). Maybe a few more know that the 1st gasoline powered production vehicle was actually Oldsmobile (1904). Yet if you ask most will tell you Henry Ford built the 1st cars. BTW Ransom Olds also built their 1st electric automobile in 1899 and in 1899 & 1900 more electric cars were sold then gas powered models with the Columbia (built by American Bicycle Company) being the most popular car sold in America in 1900.

So don't view the ipad based on what it does now but what its started, personally I'd wait for an android based version to appear or potentially something like the slate...but the real momentum will be toward android/ubuntu IMO.

Sorry but you've been drinking the kool-aid humble. Apples spin is what you're saying, however the alternative to specific functionality? What exactly? It's not the best browser, media player, or any other app. That would be fine if it were competitively priced to reflect that, but it isn't. It's not really ground breaking tech, slates have been around for ages, and a range of slate/convertable netbooks were released ahead of the ipad.

As for cloud based infrastructure? Bollocks. The only cloud thing is the store, which I'm not sure is good thing given apples moves towards restrictions on app development and more importantly content.

The ipad and it's marketing is a pile of contradictions...
apple say hey look it plays media - people say but it's 4:3, has a shiny screen, and can't play MKV files - apple say oh but it's not supposed to be a media player replacement
apple say hey look it's a great portable browser - people say but it doesn't support flash or java - apple say oh but it's not supposed to be a web browser replacement
apple say hey look it's got iwork - people say but it can't print directly to a printer - apple say oh but it's not really for editing and creating documents

and the list goes on. Every single thing it does it does NOT do well. Nor does it do it at a competitive price.

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Re: Netbook or Ipad?
« Reply #62 on: April 28, 2010, 05:49:57 PM »
wth is MKV? :headscratch:
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Re: Netbook or Ipad?
« Reply #63 on: April 28, 2010, 06:12:18 PM »
Well yes, college student in Lawrence, KS.  Did my name give a hint as well?

Yea, jayhawk, lawrence and you mention that you are a student. 
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Re: Netbook or Ipad?
« Reply #64 on: April 28, 2010, 06:53:39 PM »
wth is MKV? :headscratch:

popular format for hi def video's (ie blueray ripped to h.264).

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Re: Netbook or Ipad?
« Reply #65 on: April 29, 2010, 01:31:55 PM »
Sorry but you've been drinking the kool-aid humble. Apples spin is what you're saying, however the alternative to specific functionality? What exactly? It's not the best browser, media player, or any other app. That would be fine if it were competitively priced to reflect that, but it isn't. It's not really ground breaking tech, slates have been around for ages, and a range of slate/convertable netbooks were released ahead of the ipad.

As for cloud based infrastructure? Bollocks. The only cloud thing is the store, which I'm not sure is good thing given apples moves towards restrictions on app development and more importantly content.

The ipad and it's marketing is a pile of contradictions...
apple say hey look it plays media - people say but it's 4:3, has a shiny screen, and can't play MKV files - apple say oh but it's not supposed to be a media player replacement
apple say hey look it's a great portable browser - people say but it doesn't support flash or java - apple say oh but it's not supposed to be a web browser replacement
apple say hey look it's got iwork - people say but it can't print directly to a printer - apple say oh but it's not really for editing and creating documents

and the list goes on. Every single thing it does it does NOT do well. Nor does it do it at a competitive price.

You couldn't be more wrong. 1st and foremost I think apple in general has it all backwards. However they are paving the way for quantum changes...

As I said it's not a tablet/slate in the sense of a windows tablet (I've used a R15-S822 since it 1st came out) and I certainly wouldn't buy or recommend one (ipad). In 3 years apple will be an afterthought in both the smartphone and "slate" markets but the markets themselfs will be exceptionally strong.

It's not what the ipad does or doesn't do that matters but what it will lead to....

As for cloud based being "bullocks" then your uneducated or clueless on the subject but much more will be outside of various NDA's in another 6 months or so...
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Re: Netbook or Ipad?
« Reply #66 on: April 29, 2010, 04:14:53 PM »
As for cloud based being "bullocks" then your uneducated or clueless on the subject but much more will be outside of various NDA's in another 6 months or so...

LOL this should be good :)

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Re: Netbook or Ipad?
« Reply #67 on: April 29, 2010, 05:59:35 PM »
Everything is 'going cloud' now even Microsoft Office in Windows 7 which makes use of SkyDrive.
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Re: Netbook or Ipad?
« Reply #68 on: April 29, 2010, 06:12:46 PM »
I found Job's comments about the lack of flash support on their products is due to as he claims, "the #1 reason for Mac crashes is due to Flash".


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Re: Netbook or Ipad?
« Reply #69 on: April 29, 2010, 07:31:33 PM »
Does anyone like Flash? Jobs doesnt like it Thurrott doesnt like it Dvorak doesnt miss it...

Having actually touched a used an iPad now (I dont feel dirty either) I have to say it does have its uses. Bookreading which I thought would be its ultimate use is out because its just too heavy to use while in bed. It could come in handy for LONG airline rides when you have to have something (anything) to keep you busy and not bored to death. But I think its best use would be to use for browsing the internet for subjects that come to you while attending meetings or school classes or watching TV. It certainly wont fit in at church and a lot of employers might fire you for over using one at a meeting and schools might confiscate the thing if you browse the wrong subjects or something. So TV browsing/shopping is probably where it belongs.

Apple should add a universal remote app and then its all good.
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Re: Netbook or Ipad?
« Reply #70 on: April 29, 2010, 07:53:58 PM »
I might agree that Flash sucks but to claim that it's the #1 reason why it makes your OS crash, at least to me, says more about the OS than Flash.


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Re: Netbook or Ipad?
« Reply #71 on: April 29, 2010, 10:39:45 PM »
But Mac's "just work" ack-ack :D

Flash isn't perfect, but it fills a need.

The funny thing is all the cultee's claiming HTML5 and Java will negate the need for flash.... cept the ipad/iphone don't support java LOL. I wonder when steve will make his 'java sucks' speech?

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Re: Netbook or Ipad?
« Reply #72 on: April 29, 2010, 10:41:32 PM »
Apple should add a universal remote app and then its all good.

No IR on the i-whatsits though :D unlike my treo... (I have an IR remote app, plus a bluetooth one for controlling presso's on my PC, had em for 6 years or so).

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Re: Netbook or Ipad?
« Reply #73 on: April 30, 2010, 12:34:16 AM »
IR is outmoded these days. TVs need Wi-Fi control.
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Re: Netbook or Ipad?
« Reply #74 on: April 30, 2010, 05:09:15 PM »
I heard a Talk Show host say today he couldn't wait to get home and "play" with his iPad. I thought the choice of words coincided with some of the posts here.

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