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Offline perdue3

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Early War planes
« on: April 23, 2010, 09:59:49 AM »
I am a special events dweeb and i have seen time and time again the "substitute" aircraft.

Examples:

Ju88 for He 111
D3A for ki-43/44
I-16 for M.50
F4F-4 for F4F-3
B-25 for Wellington
B-17G for B-17F



I can keep going but everyone sees the point.


I hope to see the He 111 soon, its ridiculous trying to kill/catch Ju88's with a damn Hurricane Mk I.

Also some Soviet fighters would do well in events. They would see action in MA I believe too.

For Eastern Front Early War events all we see are American planes with stars on em plus I-16 and IL-2. A LaGG-3 and Yak-3 and maybe a MiG-1 would fit in nicely.

Just an observation from a Special Events veteran.



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Re: Early War planes
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2010, 11:00:24 AM »
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Re: Early War planes
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2010, 11:54:56 AM »
Well, if not the He111 maybe the Do 217...think this would help get it done?

http://www.histavia21.net/MAN217/do217-%20N1.htm
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Re: Early War planes
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2010, 06:16:11 PM »
Let's consider fighter aircraft to keep the furballers happy. Depends on what you call 'early war'. The Japanese started theirs in China in 1937 and the Ki-27 would make a nice ride, as would the Gladiator that the Kuomintang Government purchased from Blighty and which actually made its combat debut over China.

Next up, Germany invades Poland. Oooooh yes, now we've got the PZL P.11c and earlier versions scrapping with Bf109Es and 110Cs. Meanwhile the French are sitting behind the Maginot Line polishing their Morane-Saulnier 405s and frantically developing the Dewoitine D.520 and Bloch 150-series fighters. Alongside them on French airfields are Hurricanes Mk.I, mostly unarmoured and many of them still sporting the two-blade fixed-pitch Watts prop.

In May 1940, the Phony War goes hot, more Hurricanes have armour and three-blade two-speed props, the French fighters are supplemented by imported Curtiss Hawks and the odd Douglas A7, the German 109s and 110s have gained a little more armour and quite a bit more weight but otherwise the Battle for France and the Battle of Britain are fought with the same basic types both sides have been flying for the past year or so.

22nd June 1941 is a VERY bad day for the Soviets, who lose thousands of their Polikarpovs I-15, 152 and 16 under the cosh of the invading Luftwaffe, which is still using basically the same aircraft that it used to attack Poland.

7th December 1941 - and the USA finally enters the madhouse that is World War Two. Cool, Aces High can now begin to model 'early war' aircraft.

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Re: Early War planes
« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2010, 07:15:28 AM »
Simba, I know of these aircraft. Didn't mention them cuz I figured them to be very distant from the realm of being modeled into the game.



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Re: Early War planes
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2010, 02:25:09 PM »
Absolutely right, dear fellow, they ARE very distant from the American concept of WW2, which is that it wasn't really happening or worth thinking about until the 'day of infamy' when the US Pacific Territories got stiffed by the Sons of Nippon.

Aces High over Manchuria 1937 or Greece 1941 would be fun - but how many AH MA furballers would deign to fly anything other than the products of Bell, North American, Republic, Grumman or Curtiss, or the Hun Messerschmitt and Focke-Wulf uber-jaegers that opposed them?

Ah well, I dream on . . .

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Re: Early War planes
« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2010, 02:44:16 PM »
Aces High over Manchuria 1937 or Greece 1941 would be fun - but how many AH MA furballers would deign to fly anything other than the products of Bell, North American, Republic, Grumman or Curtiss, or the Hun Messerschmitt and Focke-Wulf uber-jaegers that opposed them?

Ah well, I dream on . . .

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Don't forget the Spanish Civil War. 

The appeal of the early planes is the variety.  They were designed and built prior to combat experience.  The late war birds all converged into high speed, heavily armed monsters.  Early war planes still have more distinct character.

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Re: Early War planes
« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2010, 02:54:22 PM »
Forget the Spanish Civil War? No, senor - but I thought I'd sort of keep the thread relevant to the original post, which addresses the substitution of AH WW2 aircraft for the many important ones like the Ki-43 Oscar and Wellington B.Mk.III that HT hasn't got round to modelling yet.

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