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Offline SIK1

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Re: Tail Dragger
« Reply #15 on: April 26, 2010, 08:37:13 PM »
Yea this is considered an ultra-lite so no license is needed for it.





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Yep.. I think that would be classified as an ultralight so technically no license is needed. :aok
The real question here is when he flew MSFS did he have it on easy mode or full realism. :huh

Seriously, I think that he is ill-advised trying to fly that without some formal training,  :pray but well with in his rights. If that is indeed an ultralight.

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Re: Tail Dragger
« Reply #16 on: April 26, 2010, 08:51:10 PM »
Geez, it ain't rocket science we're talkin about here, well, maybe for some it would be...
Or, maybe some just need to FEEL like it is... Who knows?

I asked what else?   Ya make snide remarks, but haven't answered.. WHAT ELSE?

And please don't make me state the obvious, that would really qualify for your Darwin Award...

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Re: Tail Dragger
« Reply #17 on: April 26, 2010, 08:57:06 PM »
Geez, it ain't rocket science we're talkin about here, well, maybe for some it would be...
Or, maybe some just need to FEEL like it is... Who knows?

Have you ever actually flown a plane?  I'm not talking about taking the controls and steering it around the sky, I mean actually flown it.  Takeoff, landing whole nine yards??  It's not rocket science, but it's a helluva lot more difficult than an experienced chair pilot would think.  Add in the fact it's a taildragger and you're asking for a ride in a long black limo.

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Re: Tail Dragger
« Reply #18 on: April 26, 2010, 09:17:18 PM »
Oh hell, every time I ever hit the end of the back straight, nailed the brake at the last possible second, and then thrown the bike sideways at 70mph, with another riders handlebar less than a foot away from my ribs, I've been askin for that limo ride..... LOL!  
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What else would I have to do, Besides what I listed above, before flying a motorized kite in my back 40?

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Re: Tail Dragger
« Reply #19 on: April 26, 2010, 09:32:54 PM »
Yep.. I think that would be classified as an ultralight so technically no license is needed. :aok
The real question here is when he flew MSFS did he have it on easy mode or full realism. :huh

Seriously, I think that he is ill-advised trying to fly that without some formal training,  :pray but well with in his rights. If that is indeed an ultralight.

 :rock dude  :airplane:

He told me that his uncle who owns a Cessna prop aircraft and has his own strip has taken him up on several flights. So he does have some experience.

And I am not gonna tell a two time winner of the purple heart that he shouldn't do anything. I think he has earned the right.




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Re: Tail Dragger
« Reply #20 on: April 26, 2010, 11:02:28 PM »
I can't remember the name of the plane or company, but there was some company marketing an ultralight spec plane, possibly using the sharper image catalog.  It looked just like that plane, and the marketing implied that it was easy to put it together and any noob could gas it up and go flying with minimal training.  Darned if I can remember the name though...
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Re: Tail Dragger
« Reply #21 on: April 26, 2010, 11:39:12 PM »

And I am not gonna tell a two time winner of the purple heart that he shouldn't do anything. I think he has earned the right.


With all due respect (and I mean that sincerely), in this case no it doesn't.

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Re: Tail Dragger
« Reply #22 on: April 26, 2010, 11:40:02 PM »
I don't see any duct tape.... Must not be a Red Green fan.        :D


Now where was that pic of the guy that got er home because of some tape.
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Re: Tail Dragger
« Reply #23 on: April 27, 2010, 12:10:28 AM »
He told me that his uncle who owns a Cessna prop aircraft and has his own strip has taken him up on several flights. So he does have some experience.

And I am not gonna tell a two time winner of the purple heart that he shouldn't do anything. I think he has earned the right.




Todd
Shall I congratulate your highly esteemed efforts now or when he plows into something killing himself and probably others?

This is a human factors nightmare in addition to being illegal. Let's start with the fact that your friend's airplane was just damaged... Most likely this airplane runs on magnetos, utilizes an opposed piston-type engine, and has mechanically operated flight control surfaces. This incident could have caused serious damage to either one or both magnetos. While a visual inspection may not reveal anything promising, the capacitor, magnet, and wire leading from the magnetos to the spark plugs could have been fractured or compromised. As we all know, electricity seeks the quickest path to a ground source. If the magnetos and/or associated wiring was damaged, there's a possibility electricity will find an alternate route to ground outside the spark-plug meaning no source of ignition for one or multiple combustion chambers.

As for the pistons and crankshaft... If the magnetos were damaged, timing could have been offset. If timing is offset, it can promote preignition. If preignition occurs on a regular basis, and the engine's piston heads are cracked or fractured internally, the pistons will begin to fail. Not only that, the irregularity of piston movement due to preignition can increase stress on the crankshaft. If the crankshaft is already damaged because of your friend's previous incident, there's a very good possibility of crankshaft failure.

To top everything off, these conditions can take some time to develop serious problems. For instance, while in cruising flight at 65% continuous power. While a failed engine will only result in a loss of power, there's still another factor to consider. Off-field landings. Granted he may land just fine, he's not expecting an engine failure and he probably won't be looking for adequate emergency landing sites while he's on his illegal joy-ride. Both combine to introduce some level of panic.

If panic causes him to yank his control yoke a little more rapidly than usual and his aircraft's flight control cabling and/or surfaces are damaged, the increased stress can cause new problems. Worst-case scenario, his cabling will loosen or snap causing a loss of control. No engine power and unresponsive controls.... you sure his Purple Hearts will save him? Sure, it's worst-case. Yet what's better? Seeing these tragic events unfold or pissing off a friend to see him live another day?

Ignoring the previous situation in which there's a terrific crash, what happens if he takes off, comes back, and lands successfully? Does that mean his plane is alright? Does that mean our pilot is now superior and all-knowing? Heck no! If anything, allowing him to fly again will only increase his dangerous attitude of invulnerability. His newfound success will grow on him until he makes a decision based on past success which results in a worst-case scenario, similar to one described above. Don't allow him to kill himself!

The fact of the matter is your friend is inexperienced and breaking the law. While I'm unaware which airspace is located in your region, to act as Pilot in Command of an aircraft within class E airspace, your friend must have at least a student pilot certificate. Since your friend doesn't seem to have any form of a pilot certificate, he is in violation of FAR 91.13. Sure, the FAR says "the life or property of another." However, have you considered all the homes your friend is flying over after he manages to take off? If an attitude of invulnerability is allowed to grow on him, and he decides to show off, he will kill himself and possibly others. He is wrong and just itching to create another wonderful news story, "Why GA pilots are cancers in our sides."



As others have mentioned, don't promote his behavior of invulnerability by letting him continue flying without training! Be a friend and convince him his life is worth spending a few hundred dollars to make his passion for flying a certificated hobby. While he may already know most of what an instructor has to offer, he won't feel super-special because "he taught himself." This is not a case of "using the right stuff" or "showing I can do it." Both attitudes have been well documented and proven to cause major incidents and terrible accidents. Destroy your friend's macho and invulnerable attitudes before they get the best of him!

Who knows, you could be preventing an accident killing both him and a family.
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Re: Tail Dragger
« Reply #24 on: April 27, 2010, 02:56:56 AM »
That looks like a Fisher Flying Products FP 202
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Re: Tail Dragger
« Reply #25 on: April 27, 2010, 04:29:47 AM »
Oh hell, every time I ever hit the end of the back straight, nailed the brake at the last possible second, and then thrown the bike sideways at 70mph, with another riders handlebar less than a foot away from my ribs, I've been askin for that limo ride..... LOL!  
Came close more than a few times, But I'm still here!

What else would I have to do, Besides what I listed above, before flying a motorized kite in my back 40?

RC

So... you're going to compare motorcycle racing... with flying... As a licensed pilot, let me be the first to suggest that you may be a man greatly improved by death.

The two are nowhere near the same. For one thing, there are fewer dimensions you are working with in a motorcycle. There is also the ability to "step up" to racing without formal instruction. Start by riding a bicycle. Nowhere NEAR a motorcycle, but the basic principles are there, and the worst you will likely do is scrape a knee. Once you get good with a bike, get a moped to learn about power. Then spend some time on a small motorcycle and gradually advance. Each stage is only a small step forward until you get the handle of things. Problem with flying is, step one can kill you in a heartbeat.

Let me ask you a small favor before I continue to rail on your existence. I don't step into your realm and pretend to know anything about motorcycles. Please don't pretend to know mine.

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Re: Tail Dragger
« Reply #26 on: April 27, 2010, 05:51:13 AM »
Best thread in weeks  :aok
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Re: Tail Dragger
« Reply #27 on: April 27, 2010, 06:41:57 AM »
LOL Serenity, You sound like somebody I knew once, long ago.. He was an Schoolboy Butterbar too, still drippin with oil.. One night, some 35 odd yrs ago, he ran his arrogant flappin mouth to the wrong group of drunk Marines..  The poor selfimpressed boy was stuffed inside a barrack wall locker, and then the locker was thrown out a 3rd story window... I had to testify at the court marshal!
LOL, I still laugh about that, LOL!  You may be mighty impressed with yourself right now, but you've still got alot to learn kiddo!
There are ppl out there in the big bad world, who will gladly remind you of your place in life..  Carefull, 3 stories is a long way down from your exalted perch in your "realm", lol!  Oh yes, by the way, he didn't die, but I wonder if he is still enjoying his wheelchair life..

Yes, some ppl need to FEEL special, and are always shocked when others don't seem to CARE A BIT,  :rofl

And still, nobody has answered my question?

I'd fly the frikkin kite, because I've seen enough mountains, to make molehills unnoticeable...

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« Last Edit: April 27, 2010, 06:51:06 AM by RipChord929 »
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Re: Tail Dragger
« Reply #28 on: April 27, 2010, 06:50:21 AM »
You don't need a license to fly an ultra-light, or a para sail or any other of those light weight contraptions.

Most pilots of these aircraft don't go over a certain altitude anyway.









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Re: Tail Dragger
« Reply #29 on: April 27, 2010, 06:51:52 AM »
OK, I feel its a good time to step in.
a. I have flown a microlight (not ultralight)
b. I have raced a motorcycle and still do now and then
It is a similar skill set, lots of checks and procedures and a hell of a lot of thinking on your feet.
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