Mosquito Mk VI questions

[bozon]

"AND if so"... I completely overlooked the "and" in there. You are indeed the better grammar nazi; I salute you sir!

I am glad we agree. I was about to have you thrown into a punctuation camp.

 

[Karnak]

So having debated my grammar and Pyro's response, do you concur with my interpretation of Pyro's response?

[SmokinLoon]

Until proven otherwise, I will continue to believe we are getting an updated Mossie VI that will do ~350-355mph on the deck.  

Ditto.  One can look at many of the previous threads on the Mossi' that show printed information on more correct speed charts.  The current AH version is 5-15 mph slower depending on the altitude, either by fault of the nifty flamer dampers or by implementing a hybrid figure from a multitude of speed charts.

I really hope the Mossi is truly reborn into the beast it was in the real deal.  While the current version is no slouch it certainly is not living up to its legend, that is for sure.  Lets keep our fingers crossed.     Superfly and Greebo look to be doing a fine job on the eye candy, the lines are looking real smooth!   



       

[FTJR]

So having debated my grammar and Pyro's response, do you concur with my interpretation of Pyro's response?

I do

[Karnak]

I am surprised Kenne hasn't started a thread, or found his way in here, to whine about a fighter than only had 4396 kills and 5160 deaths total in the last completed tour getting development time from HTC. 

[Yarbles]

Until proven otherwise, I will continue to believe we are getting an updated Mossie VI that will do ~350-355mph on the deck.  

I hope it is at least 8-15 mph faster than the old one. That seems like the best outcome but I have my suspicions  

TBH I had given up on this one and was surprissed when everyone assumed because the dampers wern't in the screen shots the performance would be any different. However I was very pleasantly surprissed when HTC sorted the spit 14 so  

[Karnak]

Yarbles,

If you reread that thread you'll notice that most of us Mossie fans only say that it is a possible change.  That is one of the reasons I started this thread, to try to get clarification.

Assuming it is modeled without the dampers, I will be curious to see how the usage and K/D ratio changes on it in the late war and mid war arenas.  Without the dampers it will be the fastest twin engine piston aircraft down low and very noticeably faster than the Bf110G-2.

[Yarbles]

Yarbles,


Assuming it is modeled without the dampers, I will be curious to see how the usage and K/D ratio changes on it in the late war and mid war arenas.  Without the dampers it will be the fastest twin engine piston aircraft down low and very noticeably faster than the Bf110G-2.

I will use it allot more   and amybe you could help with some idea how to aim the bombs to kill GV's when I use the same method as I do in the typhoon  and Hurri I have very little success.

Anyway fingers crossed still on this one I will be genuinely chuffed if it gets a performance mod of the kind I think it warrants.

[Karnak]

I am not an expert with bombs at all, though I prefer them to the rockets because the rockets leave those draggy rails behind.

Historically many FB.Mk VIs didn't carry bombs much, if at all.  If you read Dave McIntosh's "Terror in the Starboard Seat" he had this to say about the bombs:

"Just a practice run first," he said.  We ran along the length of the bridge, about 500 feet above it.

Sid said he thought he could do better.  He went around again and did another practice run.  By this time, a Jerry regiment could have fled across it.  On the third run Sid said, "This is it, boy."

He allowed for lead time and everything else in the book.  We were dead over the bridge, slow speed, bomb bay doors open, bomb fused.  Sid pushed the bomb release.  I looked back, expecting to see girders and roadway flying through the bomb-lit night.  Instead, the damn thing squibbed off in a field on the far bank.

We never carried another bomb.

That was their one and only attempt to bomb anything their whole tour.


As you can see, it is not at all far fetched to sortie the Mossie with no ordnance hanging from it.

[bozon]

So having debated my grammar and Pyro's response, do you concur with my interpretation of Pyro's response?

Sounds plausible.

I am hyped enough about this to risk a low level intruder flight into the wife ack on a mission to get a new computer. If indeed the mossie is getting an overhaul this would be the end of a low intensity, but very long marathonic campaign, started in the days of the center of gravity bug.

Assuming it is modeled without the dampers, I will be curious to see how the usage and K/D ratio changes on it in the late war and mid war arenas.  Without the dampers it will be the fastest twin engine piston aircraft down low and very noticeably faster than the Bf110G-2.

Yes, it will help a lot but it will not affect K/D to make the mossie stand out in any way. It will still straggle on defense for being a very large target and there are still plenty of late war rides to make escaping difficult.

I hope HTC also look into the elevator authority issue. Since the center of gravity was fixed, they feel rubbery and ineffective to the point that sometimes you can pull the stick all the way back without stalling the plane. The move of the CoG forward countered the moment of the elevators so now they cannot produce enough "downward" force, or at least this is how it feels. Does anyone else feel the same thing?

Last but not least, I hope that in the new model, the speaker in the ceiling is not forgotten. That is my favorite part in the whole plane. A plane with a built in sound system - how cool is that? I suppose the box behind the seats is the CD-changer, but it could be the beer cooler. I am not sure.

[Karnak]

I can't say I have noticed that, but then again, I haven't flown much since the CG was fixed.

As to the K/D ratio not being changed.  I think it will be, but not all that much in the MA.  The speed will, potentially, allow it to run from things like Ki-84s, P-38s and Spitfire XVIs that it currently cannot.  In mid-war I think it will change its K/D ratio by a larger margin as this change will make it something like the second or third fastest aircraft in the arena down low.  P-51Bs will be faster and perhaps La-5FNs.

[bozon]

That was their one and only attempt to bomb anything their whole tour.

418th was a specialized intruder squadron as I am sure you know and I remember only two such squadrons. They had little use for bombs, but other VIs did use bombs more. I will try to find some references later today.

Oh yes, in mid-war it will be a menace.

[Karnak]

418th was a specialized intruder squadron as I am sure you know and I remember only two such squadrons. They had little use for bombs, but other VIs did use bombs more. I will try to find some references later today.

Yes, of course that is true of 418.  None the less, Mossie VIs did sortie even in other units without ordnance.  It was not all that uncommon for some of the VIs to be carrying bombs and others to be clean acting as fighter escorts for the ones with bombs in low level operations.  I was not trying to imply that carrying bombs was rare for Mossie VIs as it most certainly was not.  I was just pointing out that using it as a fighter is also appropriate.

[Yarbles]

Yes, no, no, respectively.

Can we ask for a bit more clarity on what this means??

please 

[Boozeman]

I hope HTC also look into the elevator authority issue. Since the center of gravity was fixed, they feel rubbery and ineffective to the point that sometimes you can pull the stick all the way back without stalling the plane. The move of the CoG forward countered the moment of the elevators so now they cannot produce enough "downward" force, or at least this is how it feels. Does anyone else feel the same thing?

Yes. This is, as of now, the mossies biggest handicap if you want to use it as a fighter.