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Re: P-47 BS
« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2010, 09:48:12 PM »
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Re: P-47 BS
« Reply #17 on: May 08, 2010, 09:54:00 PM »
Is your vertical sync off?
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Re: P-47 BS
« Reply #18 on: May 08, 2010, 09:54:12 PM »
It doesn't take nearly that much ammo, or that many hits to wipe out a flock of bombers, especially B24's.  Those are extremely easy to set afire if you put a concentration of fire in the right place.

The first step is to set your convergence effectively, the second is to hit a vital area on your target, from as close to that convergence distance as possible.

Resist the urge to set your convergence way out to a long distance.  Like Wolfala says, some people like to stagger their convergence settings, others like to set them all to the same point.  

Personally, I like to set them out to around 300yds (I use 275, for a "special" reason), because following a lot of testing in the DA, i think that's about the "optimal" range to set them.  I won't say Wolfala's settings aren't good, but I sure wouldn't set wing-mounted guns out any further than that, as it really seems to neuter them for the ranges where they're the most effective.  With a setting of 300yds, as the icon counter shifts from D400 to D200, you're right at 300 yards from your target.

When it comes to killing bombers, you need to get a concentrated enough stream of fire, for long enough, in a vulnerable area, without getting yourself shot.  This film shows one of the easiest, most effective attacks.  I'm higher above the buffs than necessary, but you get the idea.  Now, these attacks are from above, at a steep angle, but not steep enough in the "firing portion" of the attack to survive some of the best bomber gunners.  You can see the idea though.

Vulnerable areas are wing roots, cockpits, and wingtips (if a bomber loses a wingtip, it's doomed).  Once set afire, the bombers will always die, so time your passes so that one set afire "pops" before you attack again, so you have fewer guns pointed at you...

If you're going to look at killing the whole flock, it's also important to attack in proper "order".  It's best to kill the right-hand drone first, followed by the left drone, saving the leader for last.  This eliminates "warpy" bombers that result from killing the leader first, and also eliminates the slight challenge of shooting the right-hand drone as it shifts positions, which is what happens if you shoot the left-hand drone first.

This film is a bit old, so the flames from the bombers aren't showing.  Each bomber is set afire in a single pass, with relatively few rounds.  The F4U carries enough .50's that I've gotten 10+ bomber kills in a single hop.  The P47 uses the same guns, but has two extras...

http://www.4shared.com/file/wKWoxP0r/B24s_0001.html
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Re: P-47 BS
« Reply #19 on: May 08, 2010, 09:59:35 PM »
Yes but just got 7 lancs in a D-25 easy

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Re: P-47 BS
« Reply #20 on: May 08, 2010, 10:03:23 PM »
Oh man im loving this D-25 And D-40

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Re: P-47 BS
« Reply #21 on: May 08, 2010, 10:14:03 PM »
Who remembers the guy that had a similar whine and sent the film in to HTC.  He had "claimed" to have shot his opponent with hundreds of rounds and was crying that the game must be screwed up.

After reviewing the film, Dale came on here and showed that he had indeed fired hundreds of rounds at his opponent but only landed like 6.

Pretty sad to blame the game for ones own failure.

To the OP I would say "learn to aim".
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Re: P-47 BS
« Reply #22 on: May 09, 2010, 02:50:45 AM »


Sure i'm the idiot, at least I'm not (notice the lack of "an" here) idiot enough to offer an inappropriate statement as a response to poor marksmanship, sportsmanship, and general ill temperament.

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Re: P-47 BS
« Reply #23 on: May 09, 2010, 02:59:11 AM »
...the hacker kills me with no damage this is ridiculous around 1k of rounds in him and hes not getting any damage.Either its the Gun damage ratio or hes a worthless hacker.

For the sake of my mental health, I did not correct your various pervertions our good English.

Firstly, if the guy went on to kill you, you either had a poor gun solution (in which case, i do not see how you could have emptied 1,000 plus rounds into him), or you have bigger issues with your combat maneuvers than you do with gunnery.

Secondly, I had to ask...what compelled you to capitalize "Gun"?  :uhoh
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Re: P-47 BS
« Reply #24 on: May 09, 2010, 06:19:13 AM »
First off if the guy killed you, I'd be willing to bet my dollars vs your donuts that you were dead 6.

Second, if you shoot the wing tip, and hit it, it will be destroyed, and the bomber will roll over and fall.
This is in my experience by far the easiest way to kill bombers. Yes you can set them afire, but in my experience that takes more precise aim and more ammo. Hitting anything in the fuselage is a waste of time and ammo.  The odds of actually killing anything vital in the fuse are extremely low. Except in a nose to nose pass where you have a chance at killing the pilot.

Shooting off the wingtip is not that difficult, but it does take discipline.
Quite easy to do so as long as you are making good high, or low 3-9 line passes.
Rather more difficult from Coalt, Dead 6, but as you learned that is not a good place to be in an aircraft hunting bombers.

Take the time to get above him, attack from the side. If you attack from say high 2 oclock relative to the bomber. To his guns you are presenting a constantly changing target in both elevation and bearing. That is a lot harder to hit than someone climbing up a bombers dead 6. To a bombers guns that target is stationary. He can wait till you get inside the 800 yard mark and rip you to shreds.

Remember, all bombers guns from formations converge at 500 yards. So dead 6 at 300 - 800 is the dead zone. Stay OUT of it if you want to live.


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Re: P-47 BS
« Reply #25 on: May 09, 2010, 09:51:41 AM »
Remember, all bombers guns from formations converge at 500 yards. So dead 6 at 300 - 800 is the dead zone. Stay OUT of it if you want to live.

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Re: P-47 BS
« Reply #26 on: May 09, 2010, 10:40:29 AM »
I had numerous instances last night of planes  vaporizing with 1 jug burst....odd. Maybe nearly all of them suffered previous damage
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Re: P-47 BS
« Reply #27 on: May 09, 2010, 11:10:25 AM »
if you shoot the wing tip, and hit it, it will be destroyed, and the bomber will roll over and fall.
This is in my experience by far the easiest way to kill bombers.

good tip. after a HO, wingtips are the easiest way to kill buffs (esp B-17s). big target, doesnt take alot to remove it and unlike fighters they will not be landing with a wingtip missing :aok  as a bonus, even if you dive in with no angle off, aiming for the wingtip means you are displaced from the buff's centre line meaning his gunners have to make a deflection shot. having said that I usually go for B-24s wing root, just because they look really cool on fire :D
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Re: P-47 BS
« Reply #28 on: May 09, 2010, 12:38:18 PM »
This is a joke i just fired a load of .50's in a 47 at a 24.And what do i get nothing the hacker kills me with no damage this is ridiculous around 1k of rounds in him and hes not getting any damage.Either its the Gun damage ratio or hes a worthless hacker.
Well I shot a single B-17 on the wing about a few hundred times with 6 50 cals, I hear two pings on my wing and it busts off, so that tells me something is really stupid how my bullets didn't take his wing off, but two pings on my wing did, and I was flying P-51D, I've taken 20mm rounds alot on the wing.

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Re: P-47 BS
« Reply #29 on: May 09, 2010, 12:52:03 PM »
Well I shot a single B-17 on the wing about a few hundred times with 6 50 cals, I hear two pings on my wing and it busts off, so that tells me something is really stupid how my bullets didn't take his wing off, but two pings on my wing did, and I was flying P-51D, I've taken 20mm rounds alot on the wing.

Just because you heard 2 pings on your wing, doesn't mean he only hit you 2 times.