The tater chucker get nerfed?

[Tumor]

Taters schmaters... how about the fact a near miss causes a freekin pilot wound lately?

[Saxman]

I do wonder how much is just lag, and it being more obvious for the 30mm since there's fewer rounds fired as opposed to the .50cal.

[grizz441]

.... just shut it John

fixed 

[sunfan1121]

 

[Steve]

I upped a few 262 sorties today to mix it up a bit, but after this I was very discouraged to go up in one again.

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Notice his missing stabilizer before this pass. I had taken that out with a previous raking of 30 mils.

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Absolutely no damage.   Prolly woulda gotten him had I been firing 50 cals.

Looks like those shells are hitting the ground to me.

[TonyJoey]

Looks like those shells are hitting the ground to me.

They're most definately not. I hit him with even more on that same pass, nothing.

Karnak, was just exaggerating a bit to make a point.

Either the tater is nerfed, or the Mossie is made of titanium, which is a viable option. Raked one a couple passes with 6 .50's with no result.

[Steve]

They're most definately not. I hit him with even more on that same pass, nothing.

Karnak, was just exaggerating a bit to make a point.

Either the tater is nerfed, or the Mossie is made of titanium, which is a viable option. Raked one a couple passes with 6 .50's with no result.

The ground pwns TJ

[AWwrgwy]

I will make the same argument here that I made about M-3s getting hit by tanks and not dying every single time.  Not my "dud" theory   .

Essentially what you want is a kill every time a 30mm hits, anywhere.  I'd be willing to bet that, in real life, you wouldn't necessarily get a kill every time.  It would be a very likely possibility but a statistical impossibility.

The Mossie picture also brings up an interesting scenario as I was recently reading an account of a ME262 vs a recon Mosquito.  The Mosquito was hit four times and still managed to make it back to Italy and land.

Now, take the total amount of 30mm shells fired that hit and divide by the amount of them that kill the aircraft that they hit.  What do you suppose that ratio would be?  Greater than 50%?  Greater than 90%?

This calls for a pie chart.



wrongway

[grizz441]

I will make the same argument here that I made about M-3s getting hit by tanks and not dying every single time.  Not my "dud" theory   .

Essentially what you want is a kill every time a 30mm hits, anywhere.  I'd be willing to bet that, in real life, you wouldn't necessarily get a kill every time.  It would be a very likely possibility but a statistical impossibility.

The Mossie picture also brings up an interesting scenario as I was recently reading an account of a ME262 vs a recon Mosquito.  The Mosquito was hit four times and still managed to make it back to Italy and land.

Now, take the total amount of 30mm shells fired that hit and divide by the amount of them that kill the aircraft that they hit.  What do you suppose that ratio would be?  Greater than 50%?  Greater than 90%?

This calls for a pie chart.

wrongway

From personal experience I'd say it had been about 99% in the past that a tater either killed an engine or a critical component on a standard fighter.  Now it's probably down to about 80%, where 20% of the taters are now complete duds, or taking off only a portion of the stabilizer.  I have yet to make a tater shot that takes out the entire horiz stab.

[hitech]

Tell us luftwhiners something isn't wrong after seeing those screen shots. 

Hmm lets see, Mossie is brand new plane using a new damage system, possible new bug in a new plane?

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From personal experience I'd say it had been about 99% in the past that a tater either killed an engine or a critical component on a standard fighter.  Now it's probably down to about 80%, where 20% of the taters are now complete duds, or taking off only a portion of the stabilizer.  I have yet to make a tater shot that takes out the entire horiz stab.

Classic luftwhiner statement.  Stating we now have shells that are duds (of course only the luft wafa 30 mil are duds and less effective).

Which do you think is more probable?

Please send us the film so we can take a look.

HiTech

[gyrene81]

Hmm lets see, Mossie is brand new plane using a new damage system, possible new bug in a new plane?

You guys didn't use the Sherman tank armor on that Mossie did you? 

That would explain a lot...not even a Tiger can do more than dent that armor with a single round. 

[Spikes]

Well the allies don't have any 30mm shells, so it must be only German rds

I have to agree though...I understand hitting the engine and killing the engine/and/or oil...but I can't count how many times I've hit the horiz stab and it's flown off with a half of one.

I hit a tempest with a tater in the left wing and knocked it's wing off. This being at ~50 feet, it went into some crazy spin that I deemed uncontrollable, so I pulled off. I didn't get a kill after 5 seconds or so so I look back to see the tempest regained control perfectly with a half wing and landed 10 minutes later.  I thought that was unreal that he pulled out of that crazy flat/vert spin that the typhs and temps can do with their tail, at under 100 feet, with out a wing.

[hyster]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say the opposite about the 30 mm.
a few weeks ago i was in a mossie v a 109. i got hit "once" and lost a wing. 10 mins later same thing happened. 1 hit 1 wing gone.
same guy same plane. i was that fuming at it i acted a pillock on 200 and insinuated the C word.

[Scotch]

How about a thread with at least a few films...

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,258664.0.html

[Spikes]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say the opposite about the 30 mm.
a few weeks ago i was in a mossie v a 109. i got hit "once" and lost a wing. 10 mins later same thing happened. 1 hit 1 wing gone.
same guy same plane. i was that fuming at it i acted a pillock on 200 and insinuated the C word.

That is why we think they are duds. I too can hit a mossie once and take it down. I did it in the 163 which I made the shot a part of my video.