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Re: Putin Says we are better than you
« Reply #45 on: June 20, 2010, 04:00:55 PM »
They also said M16 doesn't need to be cleaned:)
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Re: Putin Says we are better than you
« Reply #46 on: June 20, 2010, 04:12:36 PM »
It did suprisingly well concidering the level of maintenence it got. And that was the idiot brass believing on blind faith what the designers told them.
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Re: Putin Says we are better than you
« Reply #47 on: June 20, 2010, 04:20:55 PM »
See Rule #4
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Re: Putin Says we are better than you
« Reply #48 on: June 20, 2010, 04:50:34 PM »
See Rule #4
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Re: Putin Says we are better than you
« Reply #49 on: June 20, 2010, 07:22:37 PM »
Shouldn't use an incorrect analogy to prove a point.

Japan's defeat in the air didn't have anything do to with allowing the Allies a few years to build up their air forces like you're alluding to.  Attrition and the virtual destruction of the infrastructure and resources needed to support the Japanese aerospace industry.  Can't field an airforce when you have a severe lack of pilots to man the planes and lack of resources to build planes for whatever left over pilots to fly.  

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No, it is completely correct.  I'm not talking about Japan's ultimate defeat...I'm talking about the defeat of it's fighter forces in combat.

Japan's airpower was second to none in 1940, particularly its' naval force.  Best fighter in the Pacific Theater, best trained aircrews all around.

By 1943 revised tactics and training, along with proper use of airframes had reversed this.

Don't ever dismiss a future foe because you believe you have the best of anything...fighter, bomber etc.  The best equipment is only as good as the tactics employed.  Japan found that out the hard way.
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Re: Putin Says we are better than you
« Reply #50 on: June 20, 2010, 07:54:15 PM »
Remember F-86 and Mig-15
Yep the Mig-15 was better but we still beatem.
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Re: Putin Says we are better than you
« Reply #51 on: June 20, 2010, 08:18:25 PM »
I remember hearing that the Mig-15 had some compression issues, is this true?
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« Reply #52 on: June 20, 2010, 08:24:19 PM »
No, it is completely correct.  I'm not talking about Japan's ultimate defeat...I'm talking about the defeat of it's fighter forces in combat.

Japan's airpower was second to none in 1940, particularly its' naval force.  Best fighter in the Pacific Theater, best trained aircrews all around.

By 1943 revised tactics and training, along with proper use of airframes had reversed this.

Don't ever dismiss a future foe because you believe you have the best of anything...fighter, bomber etc.  The best equipment is only as good as the tactics employed.  Japan found that out the hard way.
What are we doing in this war.............I dont think your in the military right now or have served in the wars so far(If you have my bad :salute ) but you would know our military is able to adapt pretty darn good.....probably because of lessons learned in the past.....and probably better then any other military in the world.
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Re: Putin Says we are better than you
« Reply #53 on: June 20, 2010, 08:25:33 PM »
I remember hearing that the Mig-15 had some compression issues, is this true?
I'm not sure about compression but I am pretty sure the Mig-15 was faster could go higher and could climb faster.
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Re: Putin Says we are better than you
« Reply #54 on: June 20, 2010, 08:39:09 PM »
I'm not sure about compression but I am pretty sure the Mig-15 was faster could go higher and could climb faster.

The Mig-15 could climb faster than a Saber, but I don't believe it could surpass the sound barrier, the Saber could.

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Re: Putin Says we are better than you
« Reply #55 on: June 20, 2010, 10:11:19 PM »
And in the unlikely event that russia and the U.S. square off, it will likely be in the middle east, with what ever resources the two nations have in the area.

i dont think it's so unlikely anymore..... thats why im trying to stock up on military equipment to protect myself, and prepare for the worst....... Red Dawn, anyone?

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Re: Putin Says we are better than you
« Reply #56 on: June 20, 2010, 11:52:42 PM »
Wildcat, no matter how many wars we fight with russia, they aren't going to invade the U.S. by coming up through mexico or canada. And hell, you're on the east cost. The first Ruskie you see holding a gun will be when we invade up through the balkans, or through the middle east.
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Re: Putin Says we are better than you
« Reply #57 on: June 21, 2010, 01:45:26 AM »
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Re: Putin Says we are better than you
« Reply #58 on: June 21, 2010, 02:11:22 AM »
Yep the Mig-15 was better but we still beatem.

My point was that if two aircraft look alike does not mean that one is a copy. And I used Mig-15 & F-86 as an example, not for a performance comparison.
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Re: Putin Says we are better than you
« Reply #59 on: June 21, 2010, 05:05:09 AM »
Hmmmm....where have I seen this before...?

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