HTC give us the choice!!!!!!

[groundfeeder]

I really really hate the new dar settings!

They are not realistic AT ALL!

To back that up, radar today CANNOT see an aircraft in terrain at 65 feet, in many of cases it cant see you at 1000 feet in higher terrain without the aid of a transponder equipped aircraft.

The dar rings you have now overlap fields and you cant even get off of the base without someone seeing you up on THIER radar.Bombers used to be able to fly deeper into enemy territory and the enemy had to at least look for them now they can go directly to them withe the extended range of the rings, and unless you fly the bombers at a higher altitude(time to climb takes away some enjoyment) you cant make a normal run.

I understand that you want to balance things out, but this shifts everything to the furballers.

65 feet is way to low, it slows the game down and it has a decidedly "arcade feel towards it" now.

I can go on and on how it will affect the game and I really hope you take this to heart, PLEASE give us the choice, one arena with the new settings, one without and see how the numbers stack up with similar maps.

The forums are a great way to voice an opinion, but many people dont read them and wont voice an opinion, one way or the other.
PLEASE GIVE US THE CHOICE !!!! one arena with and one without and let the player numbers decide the fate of the new settings

[waystin2]

Nope.

[groundfeeder]

Nope.

.......................furbal ler.......................... .....

[Glen69]

A arena with and one without    I likes eeet

[thndregg]

I really really hate the new dar settings!

They are not realistic AT ALL!

To back that up, radar today CANNOT see an aircraft in terrain at 65 feet, in many of cases it cant see you at 1000 feet in higher terrain without the aid of a transponder equipped aircraft.

The dar rings you have now overlap fields and you cant even get off of the base without someone seeing you up on THIER radar.Bombers used to be able to fly deeper into enemy territory and the enemy had to at least look for them now they can go directly to them withe the extended range of the rings, and unless you fly the bombers at a higher altitude(time to climb takes away some enjoyment) you cant make a normal run.

I understand that you want to balance things out, but this shifts everything to the furballers.

65 feet is way to low, it slows the game down and it has a decidedly "arcade feel towards it" now.

I can go on and on how it will affect the game and I really hope you take this to heart, PLEASE give us the choice, one arena with the new settings, one without and see how the numbers stack up with similar maps.

The forums are a great way to voice an opinion, but many people dont read them and wont voice an opinion, one way or the other.
PLEASE GIVE US THE CHOICE !!!! one arena with and one without and let the player numbers decide the fate of the new settings

You had to start a new thread about it? What does that get you?

[Delirium]

You know you can run the same 25+ man NOE missions of 110s at 10k instead?

Or is your goal not to engage the other player but to simply take base after base without any opposition?

edit: check out the 91st Bomb Group for game-play tips, I may not play as they do but I can respect their direction and their attitude.

[Reschke]

The dar rings you have now overlap fields and you cant even get off of the base without someone seeing you up on THIER radar.Bombers used to be able to fly deeper into enemy territory and the enemy had to at least look for them now they can go directly to them withe the extended range of the rings, and unless you fly the bombers at a higher altitude(time to climb takes away some enjoyment) you cant make a normal run.

OK I'll bite on this part. What exactly about using a BOMBER like a B-17, B-24 or Lancaster from high altitudes makes it NOT a normal run??? NEVER and I mean NEVER were those types of bombers used as "tactical air support". They way I mean that is "strategic" bombers making drops on ground vehicles at less than 1000 feet. So throw me a bone here; I want to know what you call a "normal run".

I understand that you want to balance things out, but this shifts everything to the furballers.

65 feet is way to low, it slows the game down and it has a decidedly "arcade feel towards it" now.

I can go on and on how it will affect the game and I really hope you take this to heart, PLEASE give us the choice, one arena with the new settings, one without and see how the numbers stack up with similar maps.

While I agree that the increase in radar range and lowered height is not the way to go...HTC should have done something differently to limit the way that bombs are armed or used from "strategic" bombers. The only bombers that were and should be used in that way are the B-25's, Ju-88's (although they were not used that way to my knowledge), etc...

I say PERK THE STRAT BOMBERS!!! In fact I am going to start a thread on that right now.

[Bruv119]

HT decided things needed to be changed and we all have to respect that decision.

If he gives you a choice you will always take the path of least resistance.  How about going back to the drawing board and adapting some of your tactics.  You may well find new ways to take bases or put a little more thought into the capture.

Just thinking out aloud here.  You send in a fast jabo before your attack, his job is to pork radar.  

You need one set of lancs to kill town in 2 passes.  

The rest are fighter cover / heavy jabos, 1 person gets assigned VH.  The rest tidy up the 10 or so buildings in town.  First person to die grabs troops.

You need about 5 guys minimum for the above.

The problem is usually the amount of defenders that up and if you do not have confidence in your fighter pilots capping the field.  Once air superiority is lost you have very little chance of making the capture.  This IS what it boils down too.  Large squads that take the NOE option everytime just DO NOT have the aerial prowess or confidence to hold a cap.  By coming in un-detected is your only chance of sneaking a field.

Whilst i'm not an out an out furballer over the years we have taken several fields with the least amount of pilots against superior odds.  These captures ARE intense and enjoyable for both teams because there is COMBAT.  Seems to me you guys do not want a fight?

[lulu]

A balanced solution?

Let's make AH able for this:

randomly, half small field, medium field, etc. ---> old radar range and noe settings (or, if You prefer, new radar range and
                                                                                                                                               noe     settings);
              vh fields ... dunno! i will prefer for vh fields all old radar range and noe settings;


And try this in one arena only.


I'm not for vote but for a rational answer.

 


PS

Bruv, I don't want to fly for hours to do nothing while escort bombers and ending always in a massive ho furballing
or in which You are used as bait.

 

[Delirium]

Large squads that take the NOE option everytime just DO NOT have the aerial prowess or confidence to hold a cap.  By coming in un-detected is your only chance of sneaking a field.

Very well said, Bruv.

That said, I think some of them will rise to the challenge. It will be interesting to see just who does meet the challenge head on.

[Bruv119]

Very well said, Bruv.

That said, I think some of them will rise to the challenge. It will be interesting to see just who does meet the challenge head on.

not too much of the HO though   

[groundfeeder]

Im not saying to vote, not enough people are on the forums to do so.

I am saying let the two different arenas play themselves out.I cant see what that would hurt.

As far as fighter skills not everyone has the ability to furball as well as others, more so the newbs that will keep this game alive and fill the coffers of htc,they need an outlet to develop thier skills. People dont want to be pounced on every single time they up from THIER field because the overlap covers thier runway.

Low level flying has had its place in every single air war, radar avoidance has been a key part of that since the development of the detection system.
Bombers dont always have the option to have someone go in to pork the radar ahead of them, and the 12-15k typical run now needs to be higher. Newbs and those who cannot bomb as well will have a tougher time at 20k....yeah i know....good who cares?...htc will when people loose interest in a 45 min or better bomb run with no results for the pilot,and thus slowly leave the game.
again not every person in here wants to furball! we all love this game for what it had to offer, taking away options is not a good thing.

[waystin2]

.......................furballer...............................

Ask any AH'er who knows me and see if this statement is correct.  I spend about 25% of my time (or less) furballing.  However, I have confronted these NOE hordes time and again in defensive operations.  If anything, I am what you would call a "map-watcher".


 

Way

[groundfeeder]

Ask any AH'er who knows me and see if this statement is correct.  I spend about 25% of my time (or less) furballing.  However, I have confronted these NOE hordes time and again in defensive operations.  If anything, I am what you would call a "map-watcher".


 

Way

  my bad.....just seems the people who like this change the best are furballers

[Rino]

.......................furballer...............................

     You say that like it's supposed to be some sort of insult.