I SAY....PERK THE BIG BOMBERS!

[Spikes]

If anything we need a perked ord ssystem.

[Reschke]

I think the problem with the bombers isn't the bomb load, it is the lack of good targets for the bombers. Right now, the only way they can effect game play is to hit airfields. If that was to change (ie strats being re-hashed), I think you'd find less porking at airfields.

I have said this for YEARS!!!!

In all honesty the best strat system I have seen in place in a game like this was the one used in FA2-FA3 where you had factories in the rear supplying train loads of material to the different bases. Sure when hammered a base it automatically sent a request to the rear for resupply and then you had a whole other host of targets to go after. Like trains bringing supplies to the fields. We have convoys but you can't see them on the moving on the map and you can't see the roads that they use on the maps either so you don't have a way to hunt them down. With a train in FA they shot back at you and made it VERY interesting.

Oh and RTHolmes hit the nail on the head with his comparison. Doing some sort of bomber perk for the big boys allows the newbie to cut his teeth on the medium bombers which are great WHEN they get used.

[Reschke]

We have bombers ?

Yeah they are the targets that we in VF-17 like to hunt down...we suck at it but we try to find the high alt ones because those are the really dangerous dudes in my mind.

[Rino]

     I have to give the thumbs down for this idea.  While not a big fan of buffers in general <they kimd of remind me of
neighbor's kids who like to come over and pee in YOUR pool while swimming>, no reason to penalize them this
harshly.  The fighter guys have plenty of choice even with the current set of perked birds we have now.

[HawkerMKII]

Just something to think about, perk bombers then give us something in trade, like porking fuel down to 25%?? This will go over like a f@rt in church

[Reschke]

Just something to think about, perk bombers then give us something in trade, like porking fuel down to 25%?? This will go over like a f@rt in church

There isn't anything wrong with that in my view but it goes back to the whole strat system then. You can bomb a base into the stone age but its going to come back up and the guys flying out of there in defense aren't going to take more than 25-50% fuel anyway. I think if you have a refinery target(s) in the mix that supplies fuel to all the bases then you really can effect the overall outcome of the base taking. BUT the other countries now know you are headed for their prize possessions and can defend it accordingly.

[grumpy37]

The thing you can be sure though: IF anyone would still up a flight of B-17, he would make sure he's flying at maximum possible alt (30k+) to protect his perks.

Thats a bad thing?  This is a sim right?  how many B17's or Lancs or any other 4 engine bombers went in during the day less then 25k?  Perking these bombers even at 30 a formation would at least reduce the number of "gamers" upping lancs to dive bomb a GV.  It may actually force these guys to learn how to fly and bomb correctly, or "historically"

[Plazus]

If anything we need a perked ord ssystem.

Agreed. I dont think perking the 4-engine bombers in the LWMA simply for what the other folks said above. Perking the B17 and B24 with 60 perks is pretty darn harsh IMO. Buff drivers dont have as many targets to hit, like Delirium had mentioned. So why perk them? Even if some buffs flatten a base, hangars are only down for 15 minutes, so it aint like the war is completely lost and unbalanced when a base is flat.

If ord is perked, then the Lanc would see a light perk. Hence, we might just see a drop in Lancstuka behavior.

[Jayhawk]

    I have to give the thumbs down for this idea.  While not a big fan of buffers in general <they kimd of remind me of
neighbor's kids who like to come over and pee in YOUR pool while swimming>, no reason to penalize them this
harshly.  The fighter guys have plenty of choice even with the current set of perked birds we have now.

91st Bomber Group, peeing in your pool since 2009.

[Ghosth]

Lusche and spikes both nailed it, each in their own way.

Hangers went from 500lbs to 2500 lbs of ord required to destroy a long long time ago.
As a direct result of some people who thought it was fun to make it impossible for the other side to defend their fields. They would roll 10 + bombers or more and shut down both fronts. As a result settings were changed to make that harder.

Towns used to be smaller, with fewer acks, so that 1 or 2 people could take a field if it was undefended.
So HT made the towns bigger, with more acks, made it harder to roll fields single handed.

There is a long long history of change in order to balance Gameplay in AH. However, if there is a current problem with gameplay in AH it is that there are not enough bombers, not too many.
As a result there is not enough teamwork, people flying escort. People flying interception cap.

Perking the bombers is not the answer, in fact its headed in the exact wrong direction.
If your going to do that you might as well do away with field capture and winning the war.
And we really don't want to see the mains that one sided do we?

Aces High Main arena's need a "Balance" of many different options all in play at one time.
Remove too much of any one side of those and gameplay suffers as a result.

Remember its about "Combat" and there are many many different flavors of that.
But there is no "combat" in rolling an undefended base with an old style NOE attack.

[dmdchief]

posted by GhostH
Remember its about "Combat" and there are many many different flavors of that.
But there is no "combat" in rolling an undefended base with an old style NOE attack.

THAT is exactly what HiTech said when he come in the main on TT the other day when he changed the settings.  It was to promote COMBAT which is what he wanted.

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As to perking the bombers NAWW, JUST stop the diving of the level bombers, the other day we had a lanc that was being used like a b5n and then turning it like a spite, which should have torn his wings off but didn't,  if the level bombers couldn't drop bombs unless they were in the bombsite, in level flight,   
it would fix that problem I think
ab8aac
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[oakranger]

I think i am going to be sick. 

[Reschke]

Aces High Main arena's need a "Balance" of many different options all in play at one time.
Remove too much of any one side of those and gameplay suffers as a result.

Remember its about "Combat" and there are many many different flavors of that.
But there is no "combat" in rolling an undefended base with an old style NOE attack.

I'll agree with your last statements here.

As I said to open the thread I didn't really put a bunch of thought into it but I thought enough about it to realize in my times in the LWMA arenas to see dweebs flying Lancasters and B-17's or B-24's at 150 feet off the ground and trying to lob bombs down onto GVs taking a base to realize that the bombnbail dweebs need to be penalized somehow.

So forget the perk points that I tossed out there and start looking at different aspects of it.

So the question is how can we as a group write up something to pass on to HTC that will be...

• Effective at HELPING or even expanding upon gameplay and not hindering it?
• Capable of explaining several ideas with concise and well thought out points to help with point one above.

[Reschke]

JUST stop the diving of the level bombers, the other day we had a lanc that was being used like a b5n and then turning it like a spite, which should have torn his wings off but didn't,  if the level bombers couldn't drop bombs unless they were in the bombsite, in level flight,   
it would fix that problem I think
ab8aac
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That happens ALL the dang time and that is the reason for the change in the radar settings...along with the big buff raids that flew at less than 200 feet to "evade radar"...naaa they were evading combat and then whined when you flew over them as a friendly. When I saw that happening I called 'em out on 200 more times than not. However I have no problem with a NOE fighter/bomber raid coordinating with a goon or ground based troop run. Those are accurate more times than not.

[grumpy37]

The thing everyone always seems to forget, even myself, its a GAME and it will be "GAMED" by "GAMERS"  Ive had to learn to just let it go when something "GAMEY" happens and just up my new plane or tank and start over again.  What would be nice is a "GAMER" arena and a "SIM" arena.  Take all the "GAMEY" settings out and make it more realistic in the "SIM" arena and let the "GAMERS" have their fun in the "GAME" arena.  Would be interesting to see how they populated....