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Re: Any motorcycle riders in here?
« Reply #15 on: June 28, 2010, 01:32:30 PM »
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Excellent starter bike for the inexperienced rider. :aok

You know a lot of people told me that I had too much bike with the ZX-14 to start off with and would be the same with a 'busa but in the words of my old supervisor, "it'll only do what you tell it to do."  Yes the temptation of having 195 hp on a sport bike is there and it will fly but it's like having a loaded gun in your hands, if you don't pull the trigger it won't go bang.  My wreck had nothing to do with the size of the bike like I have constantly heard too, it doesn't matter whether you're riding a 1400 or 250, if you hit gravel or sand you stand a 99.9% chance of losing it.
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Re: Any motorcycle riders in here?
« Reply #16 on: June 28, 2010, 01:32:38 PM »
If it has more than something like 70 hp or weighs more than 500 lb it probably is not a good idea for a first bike.

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Re: Any motorcycle riders in here?
« Reply #17 on: June 28, 2010, 01:46:40 PM »
Proper gear all the time has been mentioned, any time you think about exposing anything rub it on a cheese grater just to remind yourself not too.

Over here we call it riding "defensively" blind and eratic "cagers" already been mentioned but its true treat everyone like they are gonna try and kill you alot of bike riders in cars, and some car drivers will look for bikes but alot dont even see trucks.

Stay alert dont be tempted to ride tired (or otherwise impaired) locking the front cos of somthing daft happening you were not ready for in a car is no problem, on a bike it could be different.

Don't buy a Harley unless you have a field to plough or somthing. :P

The police WILL pick on you because you are a statistic and speeding is easy money, they will tell you stuff like motorcyclists are 3% of the traffic and 45% of the casualties, picking on speed is easy rather than blind drivers in the wrong lane on the phone who dont know what indicators are. But have respect for them too they will probably be the first one there trying to help you if the worst happens.

Sounds all doom and gloom, its not, just keep yourself safe, Been riding years, its great fun and good luck to you

Ideas for a first full power bike? hmm Bandit 600 maybe, cheap to get hold of, easy to ride but still enough go for a grin.
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Re: Any motorcycle riders in here?
« Reply #18 on: June 28, 2010, 02:39:58 PM »
Dual Sport Bikes are great entry level bikes for bouncing around town...cheap to buy, cheap to work on...

If you go Dual Sport, the Kawasaki KLR 650 is a great choice as well as the Suzuki DR 650.

The Kawasaki is more street oriented and the Suzuki is more dirt oriented...either way you can't go wrong...

I have owned both and loved them...

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Re: Any motorcycle riders in here?
« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2010, 03:06:23 PM »
I just got my license to ride but I'm not sure where to go from here, in regards to equipment and purchasing a motorcycle.

Does anyone have any tips (other than, 'don't drop it)?

OK.. being that you are new I highly recommend taking a motorcycle riding safety course (if you haven't already).  It will save you on insurance costs, and will teach you invaluable information about how to ride safely.  As for gear.. I don't know guys... flame all you want, but while I DO take some common sense precautions (Boots, Jeans, Helmet, Eyegear) I really do think that some people go overboard.  For instance... a full body biking suit on a 100 degree day in my opinion is more dangerous than it is safe.  It's hard to stay focused when you're sweating your BA...um... BACK off and while I know they've come a long way with that stuff over the years, there's no way you can tell me one of those suits is cooler than not wearing one at all.

Same thing with helmets... I use a half-helmet (Scorpion EXO-100) that has a fold-down front visor...  It's pretty nice, solid, cool, and light, and it keeps bugs off of my face.  I've tried full face helmets in the past and I just can't do it.  I lose my sense of positioning and distance, and it really takes away a lot of my SA on a bike.  I feel this is much more dangerous than the few benefits having a full helmet would give.

I also believe in riding warm when it's cool/cold out, and taking the necessary precautions for rain... but come on.. overkill is overkill.  Personally, I believe that if most people spent the amount of money they spend on protective gear on defensive riding training, then there would be 90% fewer accidents.  Yes it's my opinion... but still a viable one.  Someone who has poor riding skills is at much more risk with all of this gear, then someone with good skills without.

A few tips for a new rider:

1> Start with something small and expendable.  You can find a 250-400cc 'regular' bike to ride used for under $2000 (sometimes much cheaper than that).  Ride this for at least one year to get the necessary experience, before moving on to faster/bigger/heavier.  Also, if you drop it, it's not the end of the world.  The LAST thing you want to do is spend $10-15k on a nice fast bike only to drop it two weeks in because it's more than you can handle.

2> RIDE RESPONSIBLY!  Judge cautiously, and err on the side of safety.  Basically, if something doesn't look right THEN ASSUME IT'S WRONG.  Also there's no need to try wheelies/burn outs/drag racing/etc just yet.. and even when you DO have to appropriate experience, you do so under CONTROLLED CIRCUMSTANCES... i.e.  race track.  Plan for the worst, but hope for the best.

3> Develop RADAR!  Seriously... to bike safely, you have to know everything that is going on around you at all times.  Do you see a car going a bit faster than it should in the next lane?  Maybe it's trying to pass the car behind you and then come over in front of it WHERE YOU ARE and he's so focused on that car that he doesn't see you!?  You have to keep an eye out for these sorts of things.  I have to avoid incidents on my bike MANY TIMES MORE OFTEN than when driving a car.  Why?  Because PEOPLE DON'T SEE YOU.  After I upgraded from an old Honda to a loud Harley, these incidents decreased dramatically because people hear me now and know I'm near... but it's still no reason to let my guard down.

4> RIGHT OF WAY DOES NOT EXIST ON A BIKE!  Never ASSUME anything, ESPECIALLY that since you have the right of way no one is going to get in your way.  Also, never assume that anyone sees you... EVEN IF THEY MAKE EYE CONTACT.  Just like crossing a street on foot with a WALK sign.. you still look both ways before crossing.  Never go through a green light without assessing the situation.  Never go through a green arrow without judging the oncoming traffic.  Never assume someone is going to turn because their turn signal is on, and never assuming they will go straight because it isn't.

5> Practice emergency maneuvers during controlled conditions so you know how your bike is going to handle.  Try panic stopping, and avoidance techniques in an empty parking lot.  Pretend cracks in the road are pieces of debris, and swerve around them when no one else is around.  Heck, I still do this quite often... I get a kick out of it!  They'll also teach you all this during a riding course.

When I was a kid, my dad did me the biggest favor by conditioning me to develop this kind of radar sense.  Even before I was driving he'd point things out like... "That car is going to cut off that other car"... or "That car is going to cut over at the last second" and you know what?  He was right 90% of the time!  And when he was wrong, he was prepared for these things to happen before they happened.  When I got my driving permit and would drive around with my dad, he'd bombard me with questions... "What color is that car to your 5 o'clock" or "What do you think that car 6 cars ahead is going to do?"... even sometimes asking me questions right down to how many people are in the car, and describing the driver.  I'm sure part of this stemmed from his 'offensive' driving techniques learned back when he was a cop... but the vast majority of this teaching I still obey today.



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Re: Any motorcycle riders in here?
« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2010, 03:18:49 PM »
OK.. being that you are new I highly recommend taking a motorcycle riding safety course (if you haven't already). 

I already did take the MSF course... I plan on taking the intermediate and later the 'expert' courses, if for no other reason than to save money on insurance.
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Re: Any motorcycle riders in here?
« Reply #21 on: June 28, 2010, 03:41:16 PM »
Only thing I can't stress to you enough Del, if you even think you're going somewhere and having a beer or anything of your pleasure at your destination, just go ahead and take the cage for that trip.  Bike riding is a lot of fun but it takes 110% concentration. 

Also be careful in the country/mountains of any turns in the road with a gravel/dirt driveway/access entering the road, my brother has a nice scar on his right knee now from a couple summers ago because he took a slow spill after hitting some loose gravel ontop of the asphalt in a medium turn (and he's the slowest and most cautious biker I know, takes it slow n' steady and avoids highways for safety and to enjoy the scenery).  A logging trucker coming off the access saw him down and gave him a lift back home 6 miles out of his way, we called a nurse who is a family friend and neighbor to checked it out and help pick the asphalt out of his knee (saving us a trip into town to see a doc or clinic), and I went out to retrieve the bike where it lay while he finished cleaning himself up.
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Re: Any motorcycle riders in here?
« Reply #22 on: June 28, 2010, 04:22:12 PM »
Stay off the crotch rockets...Get a Nice cruiser, enjoy and remember, its not if you lay it down its When you will lay it down.

I started out with a 84' Yamaha Virago, then Bought a Honda Magna 87', then went with a Gold wing...

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Re: Any motorcycle riders in here?
« Reply #23 on: June 28, 2010, 04:38:18 PM »
BMWGS has a nice rig, he does alot of traveling on it though, I mean alot.

Got any pics BMW?


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Re: Any motorcycle riders in here?
« Reply #24 on: June 28, 2010, 05:08:29 PM »
Go with a Hayabusa Del.  Nice an comfy but its got a hell of a kick if you want it.  :aok
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Re: Any motorcycle riders in here?
« Reply #25 on: June 28, 2010, 05:36:07 PM »
Over here we can get Japanese "grey" imports relatvely cheap like the honda CB, CBR and VFR 400, the rest of the big four have candidates too. These are good for a first bike for a mature rider and a reasonably disposable with generally low mileage. I bought an imported CB 400 with 10k on it for $2200 Aus dollars a few years ago, put 30k on it in two years riding to work and back then sold it for $1700. I like these bikes because you dont have to treat them with kid gloves and if it falls over in the garage etc. it doesn't matter too much. Worth a look before you spend the big bucks.

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Re: Any motorcycle riders in here?
« Reply #26 on: June 28, 2010, 05:42:40 PM »
Nice panhead, BJ. Me, I've been riding bikes since I was sixteen, tooooooooo many years ago now. My first was a 200cc Triumph Tigercub. My last Harley (a custom shovelhead) was disappeared by a low-life thieving skank who lived (barely) to regret it. These days I ride a Yamaha XVS650: nice li'l bike, half the price of a Harley, and shaft-drive to boot.

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Re: Any motorcycle riders in here?
« Reply #27 on: June 28, 2010, 06:02:37 PM »
I already did take the MSF course... I plan on taking the intermediate and later the 'expert' courses, if for no other reason than to save money on insurance.

 This is pretty smart,the more professional training you can get the better,maybe after a few years you might want some track time with a bike school,this is not only alot of fun but you learn an incredible amount of imformation that you can apply to street and trail riding.

 As for Bike,well get something comfortable,both in riding style and weight remembering what you plan to use it for.

  You can always get a bigger/better bike but dont start off in something to over the top. Oh and next time we talk ask about the use of marbles....... I wont say more in public...... :devil


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Re: Any motorcycle riders in here?
« Reply #28 on: June 28, 2010, 06:06:41 PM »
I agree that getting training is a good idea.

Now what kind of driving do you intend to do? Are you going to take long trips? Commuting? Short town rides / errands? Dirt bikeing or a combination of dirt and pavement?

If you are just going to do in town riding a smaller bike like a 450 to 750 is plenty. A 750 will also do for highway trips as well.

I would recommend you get one of the Japanese bikes. They are about the most bike for the buck anywhere. Forget a BMW unless you have deep pockets for maintenance. I've had a beemer since 76 and I'm on my last one now. I'll probably go for a Gold Wing next as it is far far cheaper to maintain it than the BMW (R1150RT) i have now. There is also a shortage of shops in the US for beemers just like moto guzi's. You can find a Japanese bike shop or a harley shop just about anywhere.

A harley will also be a very pricey ride for you and likely to be like a beemer, expensive to maintain and insure.

The advice about getting protective gear is also a good one. Get some and wear it all the time. You do not have to wear the same gear all year round. A nice armored mesh jacket like a Joe  Rocket for summer and then a regular armored jacket and pants for cooler weather. I've ridden in extreme heat (118+ degrees) and down below freezing. Gear helps in comfort and in the crash.

Don't spend a lot of money on your first bike. It's not likely to be the one you really want to keep a long time once you get used to riding. Learn about riding and gain experience then go larger later.

One assumption you can make every time you ride is that you are invisible and they ARE out to get you. Keep your head on a swivel and look around all the time. You should wear the collar out on your jacket first from turning your head before any other part.
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Re: Any motorcycle riders in here?
« Reply #29 on: June 28, 2010, 06:10:29 PM »
Forgot to mention...  Del, you probably have more restraint than I do but this needs to be said.  NEVER overclutch while shifting through gears in a wheelie (no matter how hot the girl in the little red convertable is).  For some odd reason you tend to go over backwards and end up ragdolling down the highway (and ruining your chances with said convertable chick).  

Seriously though.  Restraint is key when on a higher powered bike.  Make sure that your helmet is Snell and DOT approved, tuck your laces INSIDE your boots (had a chain grab my lace once, it took a light pole to stop me.  Very painful.).  Keep your head on a swivel and trust NO ONE to drive correctly.  Keep your eyes open for dirt, rocks, grease, oil, SAND, water, squirrels, dogs, cats, people, alligators, chickens, avocados, dancing banannas, tornados, bees, and....  Eh, just keep your eyes open.  Anything that's not supposed to be in the road can cause immense pain and property damage.  

I've been riding for 15 years, and I hope you can avoid some of the mistakes I've made.

Crash 1-  Heading to the DOT for my motorcycle license (ironic huh).  Hit sand at the end of my street.  Crunch.
Crash 2-  Perkins parking lot.  Car turned in front of me, had to lay it down to avoid being smooshed.
Crash 3-  Gas station.  Didn't see the oil on the pavement.  Crunch.
Crash 4-  Riding a wheelie when my boot lace got snagged in the chain.  Pulled my leg into the rear wheel and flipped over and over down the road.  Light pole stopped my forward momentum abruptly.
Crash 5-  Drag racing a cop on his bike, overclutched the start and wheelied over backwards.  Crunch.
Crash 6-  Meh, you get the point.  There's 4 other crashes in the books though.

Be very careful and implement all the safety measures you can.  My mororcycle history is a tad extreme but it can happen to anyone, anytime.  Good luck, and enjoy your new hobby!   :D
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