let eny be really about helping the low side

[guncrasher]

Disclaimer:  Please dont make this post about spelling or grammar rules.  I have sometimes trouble expressing my thoughts.  It's taking me several hours to type this, so please be kind.

Right now we have eny based on numbers.  It is simple, side with the the highest number of players gets limited in the airplane they can have.  It is meant to equalize the playing field, but imho it doesn't really do what it is meant to fix, which is equalizing the playing field.  Last night I was in a group of about 20 players attacking a field, they were mostly inexperienced players, 5 guys kicked our butts, and to make matters worst we had a high eny due to more players, but our players were mostly inexperienced.

Remember the guy with the signature that says something like "I would rather go up the river with 7 studs than 100 kakaheads".  maybe eny should really be about equalizing the playing field.  let me give you an example and I am not being sarcastic and dont get off topic here.


Lets assume we only have 2 countries and only 2 bases.  one base per country, rules are simple capture the other base, you win.   Lets say the AOM squad has 20 members (really awesome squad, number is made up), they are right now in country A by themselves defending against a horde of 100 from country B.  But the 100 is a bunch of inexperienced players that just joined in past year.  

according to current rules, country B's plane set is limited due to a higher number of player. This is where it gets interesting:

-How is limiting country B's plane set going to help level the playing field?  Country A has more experienced players and they dont really need help from eny.
-Isn't in reality country B that one who needs help here?  Shouldn't eny really affect country A so the playing field gets even?


So my suggestion here is: why isn't eny changed to reflect the playing skill of each country.  Use the scoring system to have an "average" player skill level then increase eny when there's a high difference in each country's skill level.  Of course there would have to be some adjustments, after all 1 highly skilled player will not win all the time against 5 or 6 noobs attacking at the same time.  

I believe a change likes this is an opportinuty for all those people that switch country's to level the playing field, to actually level the playing field.  Please dont post about how the code will need to be revamped.  Lets just assume all HT needs to do is change one setting.

I really think it is time that eny really does what it is supposed to do.

semp

[Lusche]

my suggestion here is: why isn't eny changed to reflect the playing skill of each country.  Use the scoring system to have an "average" player skill level then increase eny when there's a high difference in each country's skill level.  Of course there would have to be some adjustments, after all 1 highly skilled player will not win all the time against 5 or 6 noobs attacking at the same time.  

That's the real problem: You simply can't use score and rank for this. You can't simply take scoring numbers and say "this player is better than the other one". Those numbers are influenced by many factors beyond skill. For example, playing style or choice of main ride. Some are pretty good, but their score doesn't really reflect that.
I'm usually ranked in top 40 overall, and top 10-20 in fighters. Yet there are countless players with ranks in the hundreds that are kicking my butt if we actually start to fight each other.

It's just that my playing style is more "score-friendly".

[ImADot]

Not only what Lusche said, but ENY is supposed to be an incentive to switch sides to balance the NUMBERS in the arena and should not (and really cannot) take into account any type of skill calculation. 

The real problem is this:  "I'm a [insert chesspiece] and always will be.  I'm fanatic about it and my chesspiece is the world to me; you'll never see me on any other side...hey, how come I can't fly my uber-plane...HTC, you gotta change the rules so I can fly any plane any time no matter if my side outnumbers the other two combined."

[SmokinLoon]

It's just that my playing style is more "score-friendly".

What he is trying to say is that he is a score hoar.   

I agree though, that score does NOT reflect the skill of a player, but rather how well they balance what they do in the game.  There are countless players that fly nothing but the better aircraft and pick-n-run.  But once they are cornered they quickly fold and are beaten.  On the other hand, there are players that take challenging aircraft and work their tails off for 2 kills and ho-hum if they dont get back to pad their score.

The real talent isnt even ranked.   

[grizz441]

I think guncrasher is just trolling for someone to call him a socialist.  Not gonna do it, no maam, not gonna do it.   

[Guppy35]

If it's about limited plane set, meaning "I can't fly the latest and greatest", I've really got no sympathy.  Too many good birds out there regardless of ENY that can be flown.

If your bird is that important to you, then switch sides.

[guncrasher]

If it's about limited plane set, meaning "I can't fly the latest and greatest", I've really got no sympathy.  Too many good birds out there regardless of ENY that can be flown.

If your bird is that important to you, then switch sides.

no, it was never about i cant fly this or that plane.  It was about actually using eny to help the low side.

semp

[321BAR]

The real problem is this:  "I'm a [insert chesspiece] and always will be.  I'm fanatic about it and my chesspiece is the world to me; you'll never see me on any other side...hey, how come I can't fly my uber-plane...HTC, you gotta change the rules so I can fly any plane any time no matter if my side outnumbers the other two combined."

yeah. i am a bish for life here <S>   but i agree that players who choose to stay on one country just needs to suck it up and fly the older planes. my planes are the P51D at 5eny, a6ms at 20 and 40, P39Q at 30, and anything else for fun. so i learned a bunch of planes for a bunch of enys. i never have problems and so shouldnt others. P51D-weebs scale it down to the B if you want. Spittie-dweebery pilots, you don't need the 16 or the 8, fly the 9 and 5 luftwhiners...well...uhh...le arn to fly japanese cuz you never have eny problems

[LLogann]

Listen kids, ENY does a simple task.... Nothing more.  Let's take an early morning BLUE arena for a minute....

8 Daggers, 11 Hemlocks & 3 The Hand are online ( the names have been changed to protect the innocent )...

Daggers and Hemlocks are both hitting The Hand....

TOTAL FAKE REALITY - The Hand have ENY 29, and consist of Grizz in a 109G6, WMLute in a 38G, Snaphook in his SBD and they would still run the table. 

ENY simply tries to level the playing field as best as an online game can do.  It may not be perfect but it ain't so bad.  If I have the numbers, I can't up a Pony, or a Typhy or maybe even a F4U-1A........  What bothers me is the Mossie got a lower ENY now and I can't up it if it goes about 25, but other than that I can't complain.  Go switch countries if you "HAVE TO FLY A PONY or LaLa."

[guncrasher]

Listen kids, ENY does a simple task.... Nothing more.  Let's take an early morning BLUE arena for a minute....

8 Daggers, 11 Hemlocks & 3 The Hand are online ( the names have been changed to protect the innocent )...

Daggers and Hemlocks are both hitting The Hand....

TOTAL FAKE REALITY - The Hand have ENY 29, and consist of Grizz in a 109G6, WMLute in a 38G, Snaphook in his SBD and they would still run the table.  

ENY simply tries to level the playing field as best as an online game can do.  It may not be perfect but it ain't so bad.  If I have the numbers, I can't up a Pony, or a Typhy or maybe even a F4U-1A........  What bothers me is the Mossie got a lower ENY now and I can't up it if it goes about 25, but other than that I can't complain.  Go switch countries if you "HAVE TO FLY A PONY or LaLa."

Then again the post is not about not being able to fly a certain airplane.  It's about actually helping the side that needs help.  Current eny doesnt help the side that needs help the most.  Just because you have numbers it doesnt mean that you are in a better position to win the war.  You cant understand that, then dont bother to post.
semp

[RTHolmes]

I understand your point guncrasher, but the thing is on average each country will have a mixture of noobs and aces so in the end it balances out.


if anything I'd say the ENY effect isnt strong enough, ENY 15 represents a very significant numbers advantage yet the planeset is hardly restricted in terms of ability.

[Nemisis]

Semp, score is a poor account of skill. My overall score is close to 2000 (I think), while my GV score is close to 100 (again, I think). I rarely fly bombers, and I don't think I've flown an "attack" sortie my entire AH carear. I fly fighters maybe 1/2 as often as I drive a GV. So are you saying that the side with me on it needs a boost from ENY? Personally, I think killing hoards of T-34/76's and M8's would get old rather fast.

[Lusche]

Then again the post is not about not being able to fly a certain airplane.  It's about actually helping the side that needs help.  Current eny doesnt help the side that needs help the most.  Just because you have numbers it doesnt mean that you are in a better position to win the war.  You cant understand that, then dont bother to post.
semp

Your conception of what ENY is about is wrong. It always was only about numbers, and never about "the war". ENY never cared or the war, nor was it designed to it.
It is just what it is: A limiter to counter numerical imbalance.

[SmokinLoon]

Regarding ENY, I wish the numbers would by more dynamic.  Why are most of the vehicles rated in variables of 5?  The ENY does not jump in variables of 5.

Start aircarft like the 262, george, pony, Spit16, etc, at LESS than 5.     

[Nemisis]

262, yes, spit 16, yes.  Pony? no. I'm sorry, but its not as uber that. I mean the La-7 has an ENY of 8, and its faster and hits harder. Feels a bit more nimble at med speed too.