Porking Hangers, Another View

[DREDIOCK]

sorry not a "whiner"

"Adapt or get off the pot"  you say,

so now YOU are telling me, to fly the way you want me to

yesa masa..i will do what ya tell me masa...

oh my..... Thanks for that, I needed a good laugh......

No dude. You most certainly are whining.
The MA is what the MA is. Its not just about your or my furball.
Either deal with it the way it is and live with it, adapt, or go elsewhere. (DA) Those really are your only options

Just like you dont want people telling you how to fly. You cant expect others to play the way that you want them to either just to suit what you want.

[Ack-Ack]

I'd much prefer to see no ENY limit and perhaps a zone or air feild, based limit that would force aircraft to up from different bases and spread the war out. Just as a RL airport cant support an infinite amount of aircraft. I dont think they should be able to do so here either
Again, thats just my opinion

I liked the zone limits in AW. Though I do admit it did get frustrating from time to time having to fly a couple of sectors to a fight because all the front line bases were full and I wasn't patient enough to wait a couple of minutes for someone to get shot down and free up a slot.

ack-ack

[DREDIOCK]

I liked the zone limits in AW. Though I do admit it did get frustrating from time to time having to fly a couple of sectors to a fight because all the front line bases were full and I wasn't patient enough to wait a couple of minutes for someone to get shot down and free up a slot.

ack-ack

although those were unintentional from what I understand they were like that for technical reasons and not by design.
They did work well and while I agree frustrating at times. were more of an asset to gameplay then a liability

[BaldEagl]

They did work well and while I agree frustrating at times. were more of an asset to gameplay then a liability

Agreed.

[STEELE]

The fact that there is absolutely no clear path to strats without redlining (flying off of the map) definitely increases the number of "Fun Police"

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I'm not telling you how to fly at all, don't know where you're pulling that out of your ass.  The game play dynamics have changed, it's up to you to either adapt to the new changes or wither on the vine.  It's very hypocritical to expect the toolshedders to adapt to the new changes while in the same breath refusing to do so yourself.

I guess some people just fear change...

ack-ack

I guess when you said   "Adapt or get off the pot"  you were not telling me to change the way I fly?? I guess I misunderstood ya.....

I seriously have absolutely no interest in the "war" never have never will, why should I change that? hell I couldn't, even if I wanted to, which I don't.

No dude. You most certainly are whining.
The MA is what the MA is. Its not just about your or my furball.
Either deal with it the way it is and live with it, adapt, or go elsewhere. (DA) Those really are your only options

Just like you dont want people telling you how to fly. You cant expect others to play the way that you want them to either just to suit what you want.

show me where I  "whine" the only thing I don't like is when Center Island ( TT )is taken by a side, otherwise I have no care as to what anyone does. they can take the whole map and win the war I will never complain.
    WHY take center Island, it is NOT needed to win the war,  the ones that take the whole Island are doing it to grief those that are fighting there,  just the other night I was fighting at Center Island, I did not realize that our side was taking the whole island until one of my nme's says something about it on 200, I check out the map, sure enough my side had two bases and in the process of taking the last airfield, so on country channel I said something about NOT taking the base, oh boy you should of heard them  , they said something about "the other side took all of it so we are..." and a crap load of other bullsoup, they had the whole map to take, they were taking this just to grief.....So I promptly  switched to the other side and defended that base, they never did take it....

I guess I truly am not a "furballer"  I hate it when green guys are around me, I hate fighting green guys for my kills, I love fighting the horde, from day one that is what I did, and it's what I do....and for you to say it is mindless....but that is furballing....I fight the horde...that is not "Furballing" and far from mindless, to fight more then two cons takes quite a bit of work, now to fight 3 or 4 cons is almost impossible to win...yet I have...and won at much higher odds.

so many say go to the DA if ya wanna "furball" the DA is so different then the MA, it does not have the dynamics of the MA's nor the verity,   I wont be flying along at "furball lake" in DA and look over and see a huge nme bomber mission with escorts and have a blast trying to kill me some bombers, now would I?

[Ack-Ack]

I guess when you said   "Adapt or get off the pot"  you were not telling me to change the way I fly?? I guess I misunderstood ya.....

I seriously have absolutely no interest in the "war" never have never will, why should I change that? hell I couldn't, even if I wanted to, which I don't.

I have no interest in "Winning the War (TM)", haven't actively engaged in a base capture for many years (since before you started playing) but I've realized with the new changes to the game play, there are some changes I need to make as well if I wish to continue to enjoy this game.  If that means I may have to fly a bomber busting sortie to defend my base, so be it.  If I have to fly a DEFCAP to protect the base from vulchers so we can get sufficient pilots in the air to defend, so be it.  If I have to fly a fighter sweep ahead of our attacking planes that are targeting the enemy's ammo dumps so they can't pork our field, so be it. 

You can still find your little corner of Utopia and furball mindlessly, I was able to last night and had some good 1v1 and 2v2 fights for awhile.  It's just a tad hypocritical for us to cry and whine about our base being porked when we're just too lazy to intercept the raid or defend the base and yet fully expect the toolshedders to change.

WHY take center Island, it is NOT needed to win the war, 

Because game play allows it.  In this case, "defend or lose it" is very appropriate.  If you don't want to lose your base, defend it.  There is no more excuse as to why a base can't be defended. 

The other night, Rookies owned A85 and about 3 V bases that were immediately to the west of A85, while the Bish owned the rest of the island.  The Bish, led by the Devi's Retards, were making a very determined hord push to capture A85 and the V bases.  Some of us on the Rook side took off from A85 and defended the base from 2 major pushes and drove off the Devil's Retards, forcing them to attack some undefended Knight base.  We were able to defend from high altitude bombers (some of the Rooks were flying a high DEFCAP just to intercept the bombers), a NOE raid and constant GV attack. 

so many say go to the DA if ya wanna "furball" the DA is so different then the MA, it does not have the dynamics of the MA's nor the verity,   I wont be flying along at "furball lake" in DA and look over and see a huge nme bomber mission with escorts and have a blast trying to kill me some bombers, now would I?

The MA is designed to cater to all types, from those that like to base capture and those of us that like to furball.  However, if you wish to mindlessly furball without the worry of your fight being interrupted by toolshedders, the DA is the better choice. 

ack-ack

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I have no interest in "Winning the War (TM)", haven't actively engaged in a base capture for many years (since before you started playing) but I've realized with the new changes to the game play, there are some changes I need to make as well if I wish to continue to enjoy this game.  If that means I may have to fly a bomber busting sortie to defend my base, so be it.  If I have to fly a DEFCAP to protect the base from vulchers so we can get sufficient pilots in the air to defend, so be it.  If I have to fly a fighter sweep ahead of our attacking planes that are targeting the enemy's ammo dumps so they can't pork our field, so be it. 

You can still find your little corner of Utopia and furball mindlessly, I was able to last night and had some good 1v1 and 2v2 fights for awhile.  It's just a tad hypocritical for us to cry and whine about our base being porked when we're just too lazy to intercept the raid or defend the base and yet fully expect the toolshedders to change.


Because game play allows it.  In this case, "defend or lose it" is very appropriate.  If you don't want to lose your base, defend it.  There is no more excuse as to why a base can't be defended. 

The other night, Rookies owned A85 and about 3 V bases that were immediately to the west of A85, while the Bish owned the rest of the island.  The Bish, led by the Devi's Retards, were making a very determined hord push to capture A85 and the V bases.  Some of us on the Rook side took off from A85 and defended the base from 2 major pushes and drove off the Devil's Retards, forcing them to attack some undefended Knight base.  We were able to defend from high altitude bombers (some of the Rooks were flying a high DEFCAP just to intercept the bombers), a NOE raid and constant GV attack. 


The MA is designed to cater to all types, from those that like to base capture and those of us that like to furball.  However, if you wish to mindlessly furball without the worry of your fight being interrupted by toolshedders, the DA is the better choice. 

ack-ack

 

you are one thick headed individual... but hey takes all kinds I guess, as long as your happy

[Rino]

This morning I felt like going for a bomber run or two.  

I logged into Orange and studied the map, looking for a good target.  The Knight strat factories, while not too far away, were completely surrounded by tightly grouped airfields and GV bases 3-4 deep with nearly 100% radar coverage for three or four sectors in every direction.  Thinking this would invite too much trouble I looked at the Rook side of the map.  The strats were half a world away from the nearest Bish base and I didn't want to spend three hours getting to the target.

This left me one choice, hitting airfields or GV bases.

The Bish appeared to be hoarding bases so I decided my effort wasn't needed there and since I was, as always, flying alone, hitting a town somewhere else made no sense.  That left me with hitting the fields themselves.

OK, I found a field that the Knights were using to spawn GV's and fly aircraft against a Bish GV base.  Perfect.  A field chosen now the question was what to hit.  Ord, troops, fuel (not really a viable option) or, wait... hangers!  Yes!  If I could drop the fighter hangers then those pesky fighters wouldn't be able to come up and bother me.  Then I could hit the GV hanger to help our GV defense.  It was such a natural choice and flying a formation of Lancasters I could easily drop an entire large airfield.

Well, that's what I did... twice.

Granted there were no furballs going at the base I hit but there were Bish GV's there and aircraft attacking them, and, as I said, launching from there against a Bish GV base.  Once the hangers went down though more Bish swarmed in, then, as the fighter hangers re-upped the fight dissipated leaving just the Bish GV's and attacking enemy aircraft.

Anyway, with the recent advents of strat targets being moved to the hinterlands and radar covering 100% of approach paths I think losing hangers will become more and more prevalent.  Could I have gone for ord?  Sure, but a single fighter can take ord out in a single sortie.  I wouldn't need to fly heavies for that.

So next time you wonder why bombers are taking out the hangers and ruining a furball just remember, it's the only viable taget they have left.

      Viable, no....easy, yes.  Not like you have to justify hitting hangars to anyone else, but it's not a very strong
argument when you describe avoiding opposition at other targets to rationalize hitting the fields.

[sky25]

  The Bish, led by the Devi's Retards, were making a very determined hord push to capture A85 and the V bases. 

ack-ack

It is good to know that The Devils brigade must be doing something right if they bother you enough that you have to make comments like this on the forums. I do not recall others making comments like this about you or your squad...Your comment was out of line...

[Bear76]

It is good to know that The Devils brigade must be doing something right if they bother you enough that you have to make comments like this on the forums. I do not recall others making comments like this about you or your squad...Your comment was out of line...

I don't think it bothered him at all. I think that was the point he was making.

[Ack-Ack]

It is good to know that The Devils brigade must be doing something right if they bother you enough that you have to make comments like this on the forums. I do not recall others making comments like this about you or your squad...Your comment was out of line...

Go ahead and make comments about my squadron, do you think we Raiders would get bent out of shape about it?  We're one of the oldest squadrons in AH and have been around since early AW days.  It would take far more than comments from a timid player to get under our collective skin.

I don't think it bothered him at all. I think that was the point he was making.

His kind are unable to understand, if he was then he would have realized when he read my post what the point was.


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[Agent360]

The OP basically said he couldn't be bothered to do a real buff mission so instead engaged in mindless toolshedding because he was too lazy to fly "3 hours" or be discovered flying "alone" to a legitmate strat target.

NO ONE has in all of these type threads that have appeared over and over has said they had a problem with buffs killing the FH if they WERE ACTUALLY PARTICAPATING IN A BASE TAKE.

Baldeagle's post just stinks of "I'm to lazy to" play war. Instead he will just kill FH for the hell of it, because there are no "viable" strat targets.

Kill the base, kill everything, every dam thing you can bomb. Go for it. But if you are going to do that PLEASE take the base.

If there is no base take in progress, flying buffs to the nearest furball and killing FH just for fun is totally lame and more importantly....completely pointless.

AKAK said "mindless furballing"...so what. If you want to screw up a perfectly good "mindless furball" then at least take the base if your going to ruin the furball.

AKAK and Baldeagle -  I say put your mission together and go on a base taking rampage....us mindless furballers would love to engage you and have good time defending.

Baldeagle:
"So next time you wonder why bombers are taking out the hangers and ruining a furball just remember, it's the only viable target they have left."

This statement is even more lame than any mindless furballer whine.

Anything less is pure toolshedding and just as lame as us mindless furballers whining about our furball ending.

[Ack-Ack]

AKAK and Baldeagle -  I say put your mission together and go on a base taking rampage....us mindless furballers would love to engage you and have good time defending.

Your reading comprehension isn't as good as your flying it seems. 

If you had read my posts, you would have clearly seen that I do not play to capture bases or to "Win the War (TM)" and haven't done so since long before you started playing.  I, unlike you, have realized that in order for one to continue to enjoy the game, one must adapt to the new changes or continue to whine on the forums.  If that means I need to up from a base to defend it from bombers in order to keep the base I am flying and fighting from open, then that is what I need to do.  I consider it to be a waste of my time to whine about some toolshedder destroying a base because I was too lazy or couldn't be bothered to defend it.

Correct me if I am wrong, but you were also one of the Rookies that was help defending A85 from the Devil's Retards the other night...

ack-ack

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Your reading comprehension isn't as good as your flying it seems. 

If you had read my posts, you would have clearly seen that I do not play to capture bases or to "Win the War (TM)" and haven't done so since long before you started playing.  I, unlike you, have realized that in order for one to continue to enjoy the game, one must adapt to the new changes or continue to whine on the forums.  If that means I need to up from a base to defend it from bombers in order to keep the base I am flying and fighting from open, then that is what I need to do.  I consider it to be a waste of my time to whine about some toolshedder destroying a base because I was too lazy or couldn't be bothered to defend it.

Correct me if I am wrong, but you were also one of the Rookies that was help defending A85 from the Devil's Retards the other night...

ack-ack

sounds like the fight we switched on.

seriously ACK it sounds like you have been "browbeatin" by the "win da war" crowd, into this way of thinking,  "...I, unlike you, have realized that in order for one to continue to enjoy the game, one must adapt to the new changes..."

I say who cares what others do, As long as there are red guys to shoot down I am A-okay