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Offline falcon23

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Re: Help deciding on a joystick or track IR
« Reply #15 on: July 11, 2010, 03:09:02 PM »
I am in grove madda..would be nice to try it..but I have a feeling wont be able too..I do have the clip,but hate wearing a hat while flying...I have one shot at this and dont want to mess it up,,decision wise that is.

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Re: Help deciding on a joystick or track IR
« Reply #16 on: July 11, 2010, 03:20:05 PM »
I am in grove madda..would be nice to try it..but I have a feeling wont be able too..I do have the clip,but hate wearing a hat while flying...I have one shot at this and dont want to mess it up,,decision wise that is.

I'd get the stick then man.  Just start saving a few bucks here and there, hell save your change for a few months and you can come up with the bucks for a new TIR clip.  If you get down this way, give me a shout. 
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Re: Help deciding on a joystick or track IR
« Reply #17 on: July 12, 2010, 12:01:36 AM »
as for nose bounce.... you may rid yourself of it some by using scaling..... but the main cause of nose bounce I have found has been those people who use Combat Trim or who manually trim and do not know what they are doing....

Before we start giving recommendations as to how to reduce nose bounce issues, we need to make sure that his definition of 'nose bounce' and our definition of 'nose bounce' are in fact, the same thing.

It seems to me that the OP considers 'nose bounce' to be the action that happens when you are in a dive and you let go of the stick.  The stick centers and the nose 'bounces' upwards.  The reason for this is more speed = more lift.  When you center the controls, the plane wants to level out because it is speeding up as it dives.  This is normal aircraft behavior, but can be minimized by using trim... you can definitely use manual trim, but I've always made good use of the "automatic trim set" control (period key).  What that does is matches your trim forces to your current stick forces so if you let go of the stick right after pressing the period key it will continue just as you were still holding the stick in that position.

To me, 'nose bounce' is when you overcompensate aiming at an enemy... Example... you are pointing a little low so you pull back just a hair and the nose snaps upwards above the plane, making it difficult to make fine-tuned adjustments to get your nose right on target.  This can be caused by the spring force of the joystick changing (traveling through center for example)... pot spiking (X52 doesn't use them in X and Y Axis)... poor joystick quality... incorrect scaling settings, etc etc etc...  For me, getting rid of the X52 was what I had to do to reduce this issue.

I replaced it with a G940 (say what you want but I'm 95% in love with it) and force feedback aside, I've found it to be very precise and accurate... so much that I was able to turn off scaling and deadband altogether with it.  It does have what's known as a 'reversal bug' which causes symptoms similar to what I describe as nose bounce, but it's still only a fraction as to what I dealt with on my X52.  Also, after almost 3 years of trouble-free use, my X52 was starting to develop a bit of physical play in the center... which while mild in nature... was becoming more and more annoying every day.  The Force Feedback does add a whole new level of immersion into the game as well, and I can push the aircraft just a little bit more than before because I now have the added sense of feel.

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Re: Help deciding on a joystick or track IR
« Reply #18 on: July 12, 2010, 05:58:10 PM »
CAn someone measure their fighterstick from hand base to top of highest hatswitch??
                                                                     

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Re: Help deciding on a joystick or track IR
« Reply #19 on: July 12, 2010, 06:58:42 PM »
I get about 6.25 inches from the hand rest to the center of the top hat switch.

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Re: Help deciding on a joystick or track IR
« Reply #20 on: July 12, 2010, 07:01:26 PM »
Thanks Fugi..I get 6.0in from the side of my palm to the top of my thumb,and thats with it stretched out fully..hmmm...

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Re: Help deciding on a joystick or track IR
« Reply #21 on: July 12, 2010, 07:03:28 PM »
some people have taken a piece of pipe insulation, that foam stuff, and cut a piece to rest their hands on to reach a bit higher. Homeboy also made a "shorty" version of one.

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Re: Help deciding on a joystick or track IR
« Reply #22 on: July 12, 2010, 07:05:30 PM »
yea..sounds good..BTW,how is the tension on it as far as moving it around..I always heard some liked the strong spring..I am reading I think that this one is pretty loose per se'.

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Re: Help deciding on a joystick or track IR
« Reply #23 on: July 12, 2010, 08:21:44 PM »
It's not really stiff, but it's also not really loose either.  It doesn't offer enough resistance so that you have to work to get a gun solution if you're tracking, but it's not so easy that you overcorrect or anything really.  I don't use any scaling at all and have no problems with it.  The resistance is just about where I feel like it should be really. 
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Re: Help deciding on a joystick or track IR
« Reply #24 on: July 12, 2010, 09:19:47 PM »
I think it has a pretty good tension to it. Its tuff enough that you feel it when using it, but not so tuff that it gives you a work out. Maybe a but tuffer than turning a new door knob, stiff, and solid. It's hard to compare it with something else. Stiffer than my Saitek  Aviator. It's a good solid stick. It doesn't feel cheap at all.

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Re: Help deciding on a joystick or track IR
« Reply #25 on: July 13, 2010, 12:34:00 AM »
here's a pictures to help you, my view hat is the top right one.  the red button is for weapons select.  I got used to using both but sometimes lose my grip on stick, small hands here dont help 8 in from tip of pinky to thumb, rest of me is bigger  :banana:.  I didnt see any big difference in the tension as compared to the x52, but if you let go of the stick it will bounce from side to side, so you must center it prior to moving hands to keyboard/beer.  if my hand is on the hand rest my thumb can only touch the bottom of the upper switches, big dissadvantage for some, me i can get used to it.  notice the tape on the bottom "wheel", it must be taped once you center it or it will bounce.  it is very sensitive and even taping it will cause to move.

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Re: Help deciding on a joystick or track IR
« Reply #26 on: July 13, 2010, 12:37:10 AM »
Semp are you trying to say you have teeny tiny hands?? And suffer from dinkydo??? LOL
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Re: Help deciding on a joystick or track IR
« Reply #27 on: July 13, 2010, 05:44:05 AM »
And coming from a Saitek X series, you will appreciate the fact that the centering mechanism works more like an aircraft.  With the CH (and most JS), tension increases by at least some amount as you move from center.    

With the Saitek sliding ring tension system (unless they've changed it recently), it takes the MOST force to move the stick from center, with decreasing force as you move further away as the leverage against the sliding ring increases.  Kind of backwards, and really hard to make precision adjustments at center.

If your hands are small, cut the piece of foam to tape on the hand rest - it's a one time fix and forget.

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Re: Help deciding on a joystick or track IR
« Reply #28 on: July 13, 2010, 09:44:21 AM »
CAn someone measure their fighterstick from hand base to top of highest hatswitch??
                                                                     

I have the CH fLightstick it is a little shorter than the fighter stick but not sure how much. If you are looking shorter CH stick.