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Re: Brewster vs. P-38 Zoom test
« Reply #60 on: July 19, 2010, 05:17:01 AM »
Quote from: Chalenge on July 19, 2010, 12:03:28 AM
Ha! I mentioned you to someone this weekend (I dont know why).
LMAO Grzz you in his head now. :rofl
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Re: Brewster vs. P-38 Zoom test
« Reply #61 on: July 19, 2010, 12:12:26 PM »
Quote from: Wmaker on July 19, 2010, 02:48:01 AM
Like I said I'm out of town and can't check my copy of America's Hundred Thousand where I get my weight figures from. All the B339s were several hundred pounds heavier than the B239. Exactly how much depends on the different sub variants and the configuration of individual airframes. Anyone with a copy of AHT could check the exact weights. I'm just wondering why RAF pilot would be flying a Dutch Brewster? If you are so certain of it I'm sure you can provide a source which confirms it? All I've ever heard from this particular mock dogfight is that it was a RAF Buffalo Mk.I. It is true that the Dutch Buffalos were better machines than the RAF planes from the Belgian order. Anyway, it doesn't matter either way which B339 it was as all of them are still different airplanes when it comes to weight/power compared to the B239.


I have a copy of AHT here, according to a couple tables on Pg. 441.  The British Brewster had an empty weight of 4268.2 and a "normal" gross weight of 6112.2.  Another variant which is listed as "Dutch.2nd Ord." has an empty weight of 4282.0 and normal weight of 6094.5.  The F2A-3 in USN service comes in at 4765.3 empty and 6518.6 normal.  By comparison the B239 is listed at 3744.1 empty.  On the next page is lists gross weights ranging from 5014.1 to 5314.1 depending on load (guns and fuel).
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Re: Brewster vs. P-38 Zoom test
« Reply #62 on: July 19, 2010, 12:12:56 PM »
Quote from: Chalenge on July 19, 2010, 12:03:28 AM
Ha! I mentioned you to someone this weekend (I dont know why).

In game or on Air Force One?
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Re: Brewster vs. P-38 Zoom test
« Reply #63 on: July 19, 2010, 01:02:10 PM »
Quote from: Soulyss on July 19, 2010, 12:12:26 PM
I have a copy of AHT here, according to a couple tables on Pg. 441.  The British Brewster had an empty weight of 4268.2 and a "normal" gross weight of 6112.2.  Another variant which is listed as "Dutch.2nd Ord." has an empty weight of 4282.0 and normal weight of 6094.5.  The F2A-3 in USN service comes in at 4765.3 empty and 6518.6 normal.  By comparison the B239 is listed at 3744.1 empty.  On the next page is lists gross weights ranging from 5014.1 to 5314.1 depending on load (guns and fuel).

Thank you Soulyss! :aok

That pretty much covers it. There are some differences due to what is listed in those weight break downs. For example that B239 is with less fuel than the full (160gal) load and obviously not with 4*50cals...not that the guns make much difference. Like I said before the difference is still several hundred pounds.

If it's not too much trouble could you check the power output of the Buffalo Mk.I?

I'm still interested in hearing what a Dutch Brewster was doing in China when it was supposed to be in Dutch East Indies... :)
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Re: Brewster vs. P-38 Zoom test
« Reply #64 on: July 19, 2010, 01:40:10 PM »
Quote from: Wmaker on July 19, 2010, 01:02:10 PM


I'm still interested in hearing what a Dutch Brewster was doing in China when it was supposed to be in Dutch East Indies... :)

Secret mission for the OSS that was cut short when the commander of this super secret squadron was bitten by a Chinese Red Scorpion.


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Re: Brewster vs. P-38 Zoom test
« Reply #65 on: July 19, 2010, 01:40:39 PM »
Quote from: Wmaker on July 19, 2010, 01:02:10 PM
If it's not too much trouble could you check the power output of the Buffalo Mk.I?

Table 63 on page 436 lists the B-339E as having the Export Designation of "Buffalo I", table 66 on page 439 lists the following engine ratings.
Model:Engine:Rating:HP:RPM:Altitude:
239 FinlandR-1820-G5Takeoff9502200Sea Level
G.R.=1:1Military10002200Sea Level
Military800220016000
Normal85021006000 LOBLO.36.5
Normal750210015200 LOBLO.34.0
Model:Engine:Rating:HP:RPM:Altitude:
339E,U.K.R-1820-G105AT.O.11002350Sea Level
G.R.=16:11Military110023501500 LO.BLO.
Military800235017100 HI.BLO.
Normal90023006700 LO.BLO.
Normal775230017300 HI.BLO.
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Both engies are described as having a one stage, two speed supercharger.

*edit*
Fixed typo.
« Last Edit: July 19, 2010, 03:16:23 PM by Soulyss »
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Re: Brewster vs. P-38 Zoom test
« Reply #66 on: July 19, 2010, 03:09:49 PM »
Quote from: Ack-Ack on July 19, 2010, 01:40:10 PM
Secret mission for the OSS that was cut short when the commander of this super secret squadron was bitten by a Chinese Red Scorpion.


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Chinese Red Scorpion!  :O Man, I bet he was one sick puppy!  :neener:
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Re: Brewster vs. P-38 Zoom test
« Reply #67 on: July 19, 2010, 03:13:18 PM »
Quote from: Soulyss on July 19, 2010, 01:40:39 PM
Table 63 on page 436 lists the B-339E as having the Export Designation of "Buffalo I", table 66 on page 439 lists the following engine ratings.
Model:Engine:Rating:HP:RPM:Altitude:
329 FinlandR-1820-G5Takeoff9502200Sea Level
G.R.=1:1Military10002200Sea Level
Military800220016000
Normal85021006000 LOBLO.36.5
Normal750210015200 LOBLO.34.0
Model:Engine:Rating:HP:RPM:Altitude:
339E,U.K.R-1820-G105AT.O.11002350Sea Level
G.R.=16:11Military110023501500 LO.BLO.
Military800235017100 HI.BLO.
Normal90023006700 LO.BLO.
Normal775230017300 HI.BLO.
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Both engies are described as having a one stage, two speed supercharger.

Thank you very much Soulyss!!  :)

1100hp for take off for the Buffalo Mk.I just like I said/remembered. :)
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Re: Brewster vs. P-38 Zoom test
« Reply #68 on: July 19, 2010, 03:17:31 PM »
Quote from: Wmaker on July 19, 2010, 03:13:18 PM
Thank you very much Soulyss!!  :)

1100hp for take off for the Buffalo Mk.I just like I said/remembered. :)

No problem, glad all these books sitting here are actually useful from time to time. :)

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Re: Brewster vs. P-38 Zoom test
« Reply #69 on: July 19, 2010, 04:19:55 PM »
*GASP* Chalenge was wrong?  Oh wait, he was wrong in the Iwo Mustang thread too.  Par for the course.

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Re: Brewster vs. P-38 Zoom test
« Reply #70 on: July 19, 2010, 05:59:05 PM »
Quote from: grizz441 on July 19, 2010, 12:12:56 PM
In game or on Air Force One?

seriously I would stop ifn I was joo he knows people in high places and will have the feds at your door in short order :noid
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Re: Brewster vs. P-38 Zoom test
« Reply #71 on: July 19, 2010, 06:01:17 PM »
Quote from: Ack-Ack on July 19, 2010, 04:19:55 PM
*GASP* Chalenge was wrong?  Oh wait, he was wrong in the Iwo Mustang thread too.  Par for the course.

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He won't post again in this thread either.  That's what he does, spouts techno blabble with no actual facts, gets called on it by those who actually have facts, and then disappears off to another thread to do the same thing.  Like when he said a nuclear bomb being detonated at the sea bed in the gulf of mexico would cause a 1000 foot wall of water over Louisiana.
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Re: Brewster vs. P-38 Zoom test
« Reply #72 on: July 19, 2010, 06:08:24 PM »
I guess I could settle alot of this debate by just asking what the weight/hp ratio of the Brew we have in game is...
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Re: Brewster vs. P-38 Zoom test
« Reply #73 on: July 19, 2010, 06:15:44 PM »
Quote from: BnZs on July 19, 2010, 06:08:24 PM
I guess I could settle alot of this debate by just asking what the weight/hp ratio of the Brew we have in game is...

What ever your in-game test weight is per the E6B divided by 1000 HP MSL.  You'd have to interpolate for higher altitudes until you got to 16000 feet, then again above. 
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Re: Brewster vs. P-38 Zoom test
« Reply #74 on: July 19, 2010, 06:18:32 PM »
Quote from: BnZs on July 19, 2010, 06:08:24 PM
I guess I could settle alot of this debate by just asking what the weight/hp ratio of the Brew we have in game is...

Well I don't see how it could settle much but it's rather easy to find out...

It's ~2,55kg/hp with max. take-off weight. Very close to a FM-2 for example.

If you want a figure in lbs to the last decimal you can check the weight in game and divide it with 1000hp. Then you'll get what it is from sea level to 3000ft. The MAP gauge shows the MAP for 950hp setting but the FTH is for the 1000hp setting.

EDIT/Stoney beat me to it./EDIT
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