New aircraft to the plane set 190D-13

[BnZs]

well 6 109's 5 190s and there respectable variants, the 109 190 group is pretty complete, though I do agree with you about 7 spitfires, and the P47s are a bit much, was the M really that needed?

Actually its not, in that we have an A5 with A4-ish top speed performance and our only other A is the piggish A-8...The 190 lineup could use more additions of the radial engine, rather than inline variety. But no one seems to really care either about fixing the A-5's slowness or adding more potent As, so I doubt it will happen soon.

[dev1ant]

A-9   

[oakranger]

Rather see more Soviet and Japanese planes.

That and French, Italy, Finland and oh, the B-29.

[Guppy35]

well 6 109's 5 190s and there respectable variants, the 109 190 group is pretty complete, though I do agree with you about 7 spitfires, and the P47s are a bit much, was the M really that needed?

You've got 6 Spitfires and 6 109s.  The Seafire is essentially a modified Spitfire V.  As there was no carrier for the 109T, it makes little sense to add it. 


The hard part is when the planes are the ones that appeal to you, then there should be more.  But if they don't, then adding more is senseless. 

The issue in my opinion comes down to adding birds that make sense and can cover both the scenario/special events stuff and be fairly viable MA birds.

Do I think we need more 190s and 109s?  Nope.  Do I think we need more Spits and Jugs?  Nope.

Would it be nice to have a Ki-43 and Betty to help with the Japanese plane set and early war PTO scenarios?  Absolutely. 

Would I like a Beaufighter, Me-410 and a Russian twin for attack birds?  Yes please.

For purely scenario use, an He-111 would look nice for the B of B.

[milesobrian]

You've got 6 Spitfires and 6 109s.  The Seafire is essentially a modified Spitfire V.  As there was no carrier for the 109T, it makes little sense to add it. 


The hard part is when the planes are the ones that appeal to you, then there should be more.  But if they don't, then adding more is senseless. 

The issue in my opinion comes down to adding birds that make sense and can cover both the scenario/special events stuff and be fairly viable MA birds.

Do I think we need more 190s and 109s?  Nope.  Do I think we need more Spits and Jugs?  Nope.

Would it be nice to have a Ki-43 and Betty to help with the Japanese plane set and early war PTO scenarios?  Absolutely. 

Would I like a Beaufighter, Me-410 and a Russian twin for attack birds?  Yes please.

For purely scenario use, an He-111 would look nice for the B of B.

I completely agree with every thing you just said.  However the thing is adding variants of already existing models, as far as i understand, is relatively easy since most of the work is already done for you...I could be wrong however, but from what i read here that seems to be the general consensus.

Like the latest addition the p47M  Some think it was unnecessary, i disagree.  Thing is to make that plane didnt  take the time it would have taken to produce a whole new model.  The d13 would probably be in the middle of the D9 and ta152 which i think would be great b/c the ta152 is quick difficult and not as easy to fly as the d9 the d13 would be a perfect compromise between weapons and general performance, from what i know.


In short it is much easier to add in a plane where most of it already exists, rather than from scratch.  dont think that in the time it take to make another 109 variant that they could have spent that time to make a whole new plane.

however the bf410 me410 whatever would be awesome.   

[gyrene81]

Like the latest addition the p47M  Some think it was unnecessary, i disagree. 

Care to share with the rest of us not so enlightened how the P-47M was "necessary"?

[Imowface]

Yes, I too would like to hear why adding the M was such a big improvement, as for guppy,I agree, in my opinion, unless the variant of a plane is vastly different from the one we already have, I don't think any more variants should be added until we get the new planes that we are missing, and the old ones we have updated,i don't know off the top of my head, but are close to 50% of the planes in game not below AH2 standards?

[milesobrian]

Care to share with the rest of us not so enlightened how the P-47M was "necessary"?

Considering the amount of work they had to put in, it filled a gap, its a strictly fighter version of the p47, its just one more option for the customer.

Technically no plane is really necessary any more since we seem to be getting by with what we currently have now... but that isnt the point.

Why do we need more japanese planes its not like any of them couldnt fill a need that isnt already covered by what we have now at least for the main arena.  But if you want it for diversity then yea it is necessary, see their are two ways of looking at it.

Whether or not they are "necessary" is objective and really dosent apply to a wish list. 


Again the time it takes to make a new variant of a plane that already exists seems to be much easier than adding a plane completely from scratch, dont think that because that worked on the p47M that they could have produced a who whole new plane in that time instead...  its probably even easier than updating a plane to the ah2 standard, so dont consider it as time wasted.

 

[Imowface]

Just because it is strictly a fighter version, does not make it any different then the other P-47s, are you saying that the others are not as capable of fighters as it? when I do fly P47's, I prefer to fly others as they perform the same ( for the amount of fighting I do in them) but the other 47's can carry bombs, and with the D-13, why add it when the 152 has better guns, and is fantastic at altitude

[EDO43]

what about the  Fw190D-1 instead of the -13?  Talk about a bomber hunter....loaded with guns. 

[Ack-Ack]

My take on this wish is someone is not really wishing for a particular plane but rather something that has a bazillion cannons on it. 

ack-ack

[gyrene81]

Considering the amount of work they had to put in, it filled a gap, its a strictly fighter version of the p47, its just one more option for the customer.

There was no gap to be filled by the M model, contrary to what some believe.

More Japanese aircraft are necessary, more so than the P-47M, not just for MA use but for especially for special events. Same goes for Italian and Russian aircraft.

[BnZs]

Care to share with the rest of us not so enlightened how the P-47M was "necessary"?

Well, I could point out it gave us what amounts to a "D" Jug with 70" inches of MAP available on WEP-which most of them were rodded to put out anyway.

And, I think the lack of any 190A variant that is as potent in MW/LW as the best radial butcherbirds actually were IS a gap.

[Karnak]

You think 7 Spitfires, 5 P-47s and 5 F4U's is enough? People probably should have learned to fly what there was of them until other plane sets were built up more, but I guess that rule doesn't apply to American and British aircraft.

You're way off base there.  The Spitfire, Bf109 and Fw190 have many versions because they fought the whole war.  The same is true, to the extent it can be, of the P-47 and F4U for the Americans.

None of the aircraft you listed were piddling little insignificances like the Fw190D-13.

You ask for the Fw190A-2 and I'll rally behind it.  Ask for the Fw190A-6 or A-9 and I'll keep my peace.  People who ask for wonder weapons used in tiny numbers over the aircraft that fought the war get nothing but my disdain.

[BnZs]

You ask for the Fw190A-2 and I'll rally behind it.  Ask for the Fw190A-6 or A-9 and I'll keep my peace. 

Ahem, Karnak, you already have what almost is a very early 190 in terms of performance...its just labeled the A-5.

A later A would never be an uber-bird but it would do the Focke-Wulf name the justice it deserves in Mid and Late war setups.