The new CV guns

[mechanic]

the first time i saw one I was flying at 14,000ft in an F4u-4. It came up from a hidden CV and first saw it as it was climbing past me. I thought it was a UFO and tried to chase it but it was way too fast and vanished over the horizon. I was convinced it was a UfO and saved the film. Only later to see a close up CV battle and firgure out the mystery.

[Traveler]

There are countless reams of film footage of battleships firing their main guns and I have yet to see any "trails" of any type.

RealDeal

I was present at a location in VietNam while the USS New Jersey was performing a firing mission on some poor bastards inland from my location.  The air was very warm and thick.  You could see what appeared to be a vapor trail for at least part of the flight of the round,  as the round traveled up its trajectory.  The round is traveling at 2690 Ft per Second that’s better than twice the speed of sound.  It’s a large round, perhaps 2500 lb or better.  I got to think that moving that fast with that much mass, the air that it moves through must suffer the same fate as any large wing moving through the air at altitude and produce a visible vapor trail.  The vapor appears because the wing moving through the air produces a pressure drop and if the Temperature and dew point are close enough , you see vapor.

[dunnrite]

That was bushes fault too.   

[Traveler]

Battle of the Coral Sea and Midway are just two of many examples.


ack-ack

Midway, the US and nme CV groups were never closer than about 250 miles. 
Coral Sea, was a little closer and Flecher was recalled to Perl got to think it was to explain the loss of the Lex.

[Harp00n]

Since we have no rangefinders it´s at least a helpful addition.

[Ack-Ack]

Midway, the US and nme CV groups were never closer than about 250 miles. 
Coral Sea, was a little closer and Flecher was recalled to Perl got to think it was to explain the loss of the Lex.

Doesn't matter the distance between both CV task forces, the fact is those two battles are just a couple of examples of CV task forces looking for a sea battle.


ack-ack

[Traveler]

Doesn't matter the distance between both CV task forces, the fact is those two battles are just a couple of examples of CV task forces looking for a sea battle.


ack-ack

Yes, but in both cases neither was looking to be seen.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

There is a difference between looking for to engage another task force in battle, and looking for a direct sea battle. The U.S. fleets were looking for the Japanese fleets in order to attack them with their aircraft. They were not looking for the Japanese fleets in order to engage them in a direct sea battle. The U.S. fleets lacked heavy battleships at the time, and would not have fared well at all in a gun duel. Later, when the new U.S. battleships had joined the fleet, and the resurrected ghosts of Pearl Harbor were there as well, Halsey, at least, was actively seeking a direct sea battle and a gun duel with the Japanese.

[Crash Orange]

Yes, but in both cases neither was looking to be seen.

I think the point got lost somewhere. The trails aren't there because the CV wants to be seen, they're there (partly, anyway) because it doesn't want to be seen but making them more visible is good for gameplay.

Still wish they'd flash the field at 12.5 miles, though - smoke trails don't help if nobody's in the tower because there's no reason to suspect the base is under attack. (The Navy did have surface search radar back then, you know...)

As for realism, yeah, they look too much like rockets, but I like not-too-real trails better than none at all. And one thing they make up for is the visibility of the gun flashes from big guns, which isn't really modeled in the game. (Now all we need is a BB task force!)

[Vinkman]

how about some High altitude vapor trails that fade out like the shells do and  some wingtip vortices when someone is pulling High G!  

+1 

[Slate]

  I miss the torpedo trails. Don't know where the heck those things go now. 

 

[IronDog]

I observed the 60th VC Battalion getting pummeled by the USS Galveston,a CA.,during Operation Starlite,a few years back.I didn't see any rocket like streamers on their broadsides as they came in.I seen artillery rounds from the 12th Marines chewing up the VC,but no trails from rounds.Thats my 2 cents.I think the rocket like rounds coming from the CV group look dorky.I could care less about giving away the location of the CV group.
Dobe

[Rino]

Every thing HTC has done in the last patch is to promote furballing.....can't even somewhat sneak up on anything anymore.

Might as well put up a big bright arrow over the CV!

     Yeah, cause EVERYONE knows that no one would pay attention to 8 inch shells exploding all over the
place unless there were vapor trails to spot them coming in    I know it's hard to grasp, but
when you are shelling a target, the time for "stealth" is over.

[E25280]

I haven't seen anyone give the most obvious answer to this change . . .

It is to stop all the whining of "teh spiez in the SB not firing at the CV".  Now you will be able to clearly see that they are indeed shooting.

[Spikes]

Every thing HTC has done in the last patch is to promote furballing.....can't even somewhat sneak up on anything anymore.

Might as well put up a big bright arrow over the CV!

Don't give him any ideas. LOL.