No drivers available.......

[eddiek]

I picked up a used Thrustmaster Flight Control System, consisting of a Top Gun joystick, Attack Throttle, and Elite Rudder Pedals.
Got a disc with the system that had the drivers for the throttle, and another one that the guy burned for me, with what he said were the rest of the drivers to make it all work.
Huh uh.
My system shows the "Not Connected" for each control when hooked up separately or as a system.
I can plug my Logitech Wingman stick in to the serial port, and it detects it just fine, but plug the TM stuff in, and it says it ain't hooked up.
Cannot find any drivers that I KNOW are for the pedals and joystick at the TM site, so, am I screwed?
I wanted to use the Wingman in USB mode, with the throttle and pedals in analog via the serial port.  My system only seems to recognize one controller at a time though.
Thoughts, ideas, and prayers greatly appreciated here!

[airspro]

I will try and help bud ,

First I pretty sure that u won't have any special driver for the pedals . So don't bother looking for them anymore . The check box is all you have to use .

2. Just to touch base , " with the throttle and pedals in analog via the serial port"

You are useing the game port right ? The joystick connects to the throttle , the throttle into the pedals , then the pedals into the game port . Not the serial port like some logitek products .

3. For the driver for the joystick , the 3 axis , 4 button one that comes standard should work just fine . Just select that and be sure to check the box off for the pedals .

4. You might try reinstalling directx again right over the last install . We have to do that often with the Saitek sticks so it won't be a problem even if it that doesn't help .

5. Or maybe look or reinstall your sound card driver , getting that game port working again ? Sorry running out of ideas now .


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Really like you say it should show connected if you use the 3 axis , 4 button stick in game controlers with the ped box checked off , connected to the game port .  

Don't know if I was of any help . Sure someone come a long and have some more ideas .

gl
spro

[Maverick]

Eiddek,

The problem is not in your system or the drivers. Tmaster has made some changes from the old "bustmaster" days. They weren't for the better.

I have a new unused tmaster topgun pro like you do. It is unused as the way it was designed makes in unusable with rudder pedals without a separate game card. They want you to buy a new tmaster game card to run both the stick and any other game accessories like rudders and throttle. I sent my stick back and finally got the answer to the problem after attempting to use the replacement stick from tmaster and had the exact problem. The tech admitted that you need a second game card to use the system. The book doesn't indicate it and the tmaster software doesn't talk about it either.

Just an example of really poor design and marketing. I won't buy bustmaster products again.

Mav

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[eddiek]

Okay, let me try this one on ya'll:

I read several posts where guys were using Logitech Wingman Extreme Digital 3D sticks with the TM Elite Pedals.
Most, if not all, mentioned a utility from Stickworks or something like that.  I downloaded that, but I have NO idea how to use it.  I have a feeling this Attack Throttle is a dead duck, so I would be content for the time being to just set up the Logitech stick with the TM pedals.  Problem is, when I set up the stick as my game controller, the box for rudder pedals is shaded, and I cannot click it anymore.  The pedals are the MUST in this scenario, the throttle and TOP GUN stick just happened to be included in the deal with them.
I am NOT real computer literate, so any tips are gonna have to be pretty well spelled out for me.

Thanks.

[airspro]

eddiek , use the newest drivers for that stick from the Logitech website . Then the box won't be greyed out anymore .
 http://www.logitech.com/cf/support/3501.cfm

Q. Can I use rudder pedals with the Logitech WingMan Software?

A. Digital gaming devices that are connected via the gameport can be used with most analog rudder pedals using the latest version of WingMan Software. Due to limitations within Windows for HID class devices, digital gaming devices connected via the USB port will not work with rudder pedals.

So looks like you need the latest software .
 http://www.logitech.com/cf/support/wingmanfiles_w98.cfm

Also they have a updater right in game controlers that will look for new software and download it . Big file size if I remember right .
Hope this helps .

I had a Logitech Interceptor stick and had to get the updated software the I pluged the pedals into the game port , then the stick into the pedals . But with this stick , each and every time you boot your pc you have to go and wakeup the stick and rudders in windows game controlers   , pain in the bellybutton IMO .

I think the www.stickworks.com  driver was for the Saitek stick . But they do have something that is suppose to wake up your stick without having to do it yourself every time . But doh't know how that works , as I sent my Logitech away as gifts  

Edit: Yes stickworks has a driver that will take the place of a analog joystick , that way you can connect your rudders to the game port and your joystick to the serial port ? I know some Logitech stick use that port too . Anyway it's called the r driver I believe . Never used it but reaper does , just print instr. out first .

gl spro



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[eddiek]

Okay,
I worked with this thing til I am blue in the face, literally!
Every configuration I tried, each of which should have worked, resulted in the same "Not Connected" message in the Game Controllers box when I had any TM product plugged in.
I just bought a CH Gamecard 3 for next to nothing, it is supposed to allow dual joysticks/controllers, which MIGHT allow me to get something going.
If that fails, I need opinions on what joystick/throttle combo would be good for use with these pedals.  I have heard good things about CH and Saitek.  Thrustmaster can kiss off.  I wouldn't buy anything with their name on them anymore.  Same for Logitech.  I will use this MS P-Pro til I find something that will work without having to do a lot of realigning and/or reprogramming.  The CH full USB setup sounds appealing, but the cost thrown out in the MA today made me step back.  For $250-300, the thing better go get me coffee and go to the toilet for me while I fly, if ya know what I mean!    

[This message has been edited by eddiek (edited 03-19-2001).]

[airspro]

I hope your new game card works for you . I posted this below , just to touch base . You for sure had the right idea , and should have worked NP . Right now I am at a loss at how I could help  

take care
spro


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This twist handle joystick features a leading edge design for enhanced performance. It provides versatile hand-grip positions, seven programmable buttons, an 8-way hat switch, high-precision throttle, and a unique twist handle lock feature. Users can select USB or game port connection. The stable base includes steel weight plates.

Have you tried the USB port with your logiteck stick ? If this will work in USB mode then you should be able to use the stickworks driver to get your pedals working on the game port . Only drawback would be that you could only use them for games that support two or more controlers at one time .

I says on the Logiteck site that that stick has a twist rudder that can be locked in place so that pedals can be used .

Your on the right track , if your wingman stick works in USB mode thats the first step .

Have u tried this to get your pedals working by them selves on the game port :

JOYREGS.ZIP http://home.att.net/~stickworks/

JOYREGS.ZIP contains some experimental files that allow you to configure a set of rudder pedals, a throttle, or a combination of the two as a second joystick in W95/W98. These can be used in some games that recognize multiple joysticks to allow the use of separate analog throttle and rudder pedals, etc. with USB and other 'digital' joysticks. Also included is a small utility, JoyClick, that lets you simulate a button-click in the Control Panel calibration routines for devices that have no buttons (a lone set of rudder pedals, for instance). To install, create a new directory for the files and unZIP into that. There's a DOC file in the ZIP that tells what it will and won't do, how to set it up, etc. PLEASE read the DOC file before you try to use any of the REG files or the JoyClick utility. This won't work everywhere and may take some tinkering to get things running correctly. If you use the files, be sure to copy the JOYCLICK.VXD file (in the ZIP) to your \Windows\System directory. (116,494 Bytes)

This is the file reaper uses to get his standard ch pedals working without having a joystick conneted to the gameport . One part is the click and the other is the driver . As you have no joystick or button to click when your setting them up this lets you .

Hope you get them going , should be do able . I bet your learning lots , I know I did the first time I had some problems .
 


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[eddiek]

Funny thing, airspro, is this:

The Logitech works on the USB, yes.  
I installed the stickworks file, it sounds really neat, I printed the instructions and followed them to the letter.
I presume the author was talking about the sound card when he referred to the ACM card.  I tried to configure it like he said, but I never saw a port configuration of 201-201 or 209-209 like he talked about.  I am using a Creative Lab Sound Blaster AWE64 16-bit card, if that info helps.
I already had the latest Logitech updates, and I STILL find the rudders/pedals box shaded when I tried to set up it with the Wingman in USB mode and the other in the game port.  What the problem is, I have not a clue.

[eddiek]

Looks like I may have found part of the problem.
I checked and I had downloaded a newer version of the Logitech drivers, 3.62.xxx, but when I tried to install them, I gotten a message of something missing in the Windows/Temp directory and being unable to install the drivers.  I downloaded them months ago, and I guess I forgot them since they would not install.
But, I think the root of the problem is that my system is not seeing any of the TM stuff when I plug it in.
Am corresponding like mad with the guy I bought these from, and he is trying to help me, so maybe between him and you guys, I will get this POS up and running before too long.

[jihad]

I had the same TM set-up, the problem is the Attack Throttle. My set lasted 6 months before it crapped out, I even wasted the money on a TM dual port game card trying to get it to work - no joy with it either.

I'm pretty sure its related to mobo incompatibility, mine worked great with a DFI motherboard, bought a ABIT board and the throttle died about 2 weeks later.

[eddiek]

Surprise!
The damn stuff starting working last night!  I don't know if it was my threatening to throw them away, or if it was the curses I used, but the TM crap starting working (sorta).
Had to calibrate the pedals 4 times to get them to work in AH, the stick was spiky as hell (that is the main reason ya got me gijoe!  hehehehe) so keeping the plane stable was next to impossible.
Now that I have found that the TM crap is not dead, all I have to do is figure out what to do about the Logitech drivers not wanting to install............then I can try to use the Wingman in USB mode...........
Here is the message I get:


1154: Installer not found in
C:\WINDOWS\TEMP\PFT41D4~TMP\INSTMSIA


I always have been able to install driver updates until this one........gonna do now what I should have done months ago.......call Logisuck and ask them what this message means and how to deal with it.....

Wish me luck!  

[airspro]

  gl eddiek

Thanks for posting what you had already done .

I will e mail this thread to reaper , he has used that r driver in his setup and maybe he knows wtf is up with the port #

Ya you getting much closer . If you don't get them to work like you want , here's what I am using right now . They work damn nice but you do have to do the dance to make sure they are installed the right way etc . But really do work well and have a nice feel etc , at least to me .

Right now I am using Saitek USB x36 throttle and stick setup . Then USB CH Pro Pedals with Bob Churchs driver . This will work on all older games but EAW , with EAW the game only sees the last controler in the list so to play that game you can only have the Saitek hotts's conected , and have to use the rocker on the throttle for the rudder  

I bought my X36 at  http://store.yahoo.com/saitekusa/x36consysusb.html

and my pedals at
 www.buy.com   , use the search on their main page for "ch products"

It was just under 50 USD's for the stick and 104 USD's for the peds delevered to me here in Michigan .


Hey gl again , hope u get it , then I know watch out  

spro

[airspro]

You wrote
"I already had the latest Logitech updates, and I STILL find the rudders/pedals box shaded when I tried to set up it with the Wingman in USB mode and the other in the game port. What the problem is, I have not a clue."

I had gotten this off the logitech website =

Due to limitations within Windows for HID class devices, digital gaming devices connected via the USB port will not work with rudder pedals.

Read my  post 3/18/2001 10.23

OK they (the rudders) won't work in USB mode . But if you can get them to work on the game port and the logitech stick to work in USB mode the game itself will let you setup he rest .

logitech stick for x , y and throttle .

thrustmaster for the rudder control .

You know "how to" right ?

Start game > Setup > Joy Stick >Select Joystick

Then :
AH contol  :   Joystick  : Joystick input
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Roll       :   Logitech  :  x axis

                                 Click on
                                   Set input


                              click on
                               Apply
Then on to the next one
, y for logitech
throttle logitech
rudder , highlight the thrustmaster setup
, select the rudder , set input , apply

gl spro

Sorry if you know all this stuff , but you did say "I am NOT real computer literate, so any tips are gonna have to be pretty well spelled out for me"

Better more than not enough info


Edit:

The rudder box should be their IF you connect the rudders to the gameport , then the logitech stick to the Rudders . Don't try using the throttle this way . Why , I burnt out mine doing it   about one second to do it too bty .

Either way should work if rverything is working right . Well it's confusing for me to help when you write once that u were going to use the serial port .

Then I wrote about how you can't use the rudders connected to the stick in USB then you write that your still trying to get them to work in USB  

hehe , laughs to himself , I know you know , but reading here in Mighigan I really don't know if we are on the same page .

Hey I surely hope you get this setup working and kick some bellybutton with it .

gl spro

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[prz]

running attack throttle (tried save money and didn't buy the full throttle, bit mistake) and a f22pro and elite rudders behind it here. First: forget running the stuff without a gamecard, don't know why but that's the way it is. The 'not recognized' is often due to gameport on a soundcard. Probably not nuff power or soemthing like that. 2nd: attack throttle is CRAP, I ended up re-installing the drivers multiple times until it got everything recognized so patience. Third: YOU MUST connect attqack throttle to the gameport, then the joystick and throught the split the rudders. Anything else WILL NOT work. Not documented anywhere of course. Ran the setup on 2 or 3 rigs and after lots of swearing I ended having it up everytime. Don't touch after it worked. No drivers, no cable replugging, nuthing!  Primary reason why I will go to thrustmaster again: F22PRO is a blast, nothing else there comes even close.  All those buttons, great stiff springs, very precise when running. I had to swap pots twice though, they are real crappy. Fortunately it's easy given U have all the damnd tools (like the special 6-cornered screw-thingies for the top).

[eddiek]

Sorry for confusing ya there, airspro!
I got the FCS working as a system, and first off, for me using pedals for rudder control is gonna take some time to get used to!  LOL
My Assassin squaddies were probably laughing their tulips off behind their monitors watching me try to chase enemy cons.......
Now, the TopGun stick is spiky as hell....I mean, I thought I was stick jerking or something, but I was watching the g-meter dance like a hula girl at a luaia, and I just had a fingertip on the stick when that was happening.  The throttle is ok so far, biggest prob I had first time in the air was getting it positioned correctly on my desk;  sometimes, the right hand don't know what the left is doing when each limb is extended out to grasp a controller........I fixed that, cut me a piece of wood, attached it to the parts of my desk that slide out and voila'!  stick and throttle close together like I am used to.
I got thru to Logisuck yesterday, tech was with me in less than 4 minutes ( believe it or not) and knew exactly what was causing my problem......got it fixed, but right now I am straddling the fence on whether or not to even keep the damn Wingman stick...I bought a CH Gamecard3 off eBay for $10 to allow me to have 2 gameports if nothing else works.  With the spiking in the Top Gun stick, it is, to me, unusable.....getting the game card will at least allow me to plug the Wingman stick into one port and the pedals, throttle, or both as a set into the other one.  I really HATE the 4 way hat on the Top Gun.....can't see what I want to( or what I NEED to).  Only thing is, I gotta go to Amarillo today and buy another sound card too, as the game card is ISA like existing soundcard and modem.  The modem works just fine where it is, so a PCI sound card is in the works.   Probably a Sound Blaster Live! if the price is right, plus, that might solve some of the port# BS.
Wanna hear the nuttiest part of ALL this?
Here in about 6 weeks, I am gonna finally have enough cash to upgrade this computer from a Celeron 333 to at least a 1.1 T-Bird....probably with an Abit or Asus mobo.  Already have the mobo model picked out, want to reuse all the existing components that I can, with the exception of the sound card, CPU, and mobo, of course.  Then, when I get this thing put back together again, I will likely be posting again asking "WTF do I do about (insert whine  )?"
Email me if ya want, airspro, and I will give ya my phone #......I do much better at this when talking.....lol!