Frustration

[Jayhawk]

I never understood players who refuse to switch sides when numbers are grossly imbalanced.

Country Loyalty I understand to a degree.  I started way back when flying as a Knight and 95% of the time I fly Knights. When the Knights out number the bad guys THAT bad I will  usually changed sides.

I am loyal to the game not the country.

Switching sides and evening out the numbers is good for the GAME (and the community) which should be a players priority over loyalty to a country.

Our squad flies bish, if we switched to low numbers we'd constantly have guys coming in trying to find where we were.  If we switched another time we might have someone who has to wait out the time limit before he can come back over. Also, inevitably you're going to have an idea of what's going on in that country.  Though you may not intend anything malicious, you're going to know where CVs are, what missions are in the works, etc. etc.  It's just a game, but I for one would still feel irresponsible to take advantage of that knowledge.  Finally, I think a little "country loyalty" isn't bad.  You get to know the people who stick around a lot better and can work together better.  You build up a loathing for the other countries (hehe) which makes shooting them down or bombing the crap out of them is that much more entertaining.  On top of all that, I don't mind ENY one bit.  I get challenged to fly new planes.  Heck, sometimes it leads to a stuka raid or a p40 raid, and those are usually the most fun.

I'm not against those who switch to the lowest side, or squads that switch or rotate, I agree it does bring diversity to gameplay.  But it doesn't hurt to have that base of players in one country either.

I think it's cool when squads rotate countries every tour or two, but that won't really do anything to solve a high ENY.

[CAP1]

What undefended bases? I havent seen one since the new version came out... We manage just fine with high ENY. Gives you the chance to learn other planes and GV's..

i'm still trying to get good in the p-38. i try to fly it exclusively, alhough there are times when i cannot.

 if eny stops me from getting my "J", then i just up a "G". or i go to one of the countries with lower numbers, so i can fly my "J". it's really not that difficult.

[Lusche]

 Though you may not intend anything malicious, you're going to know where CVs are, what missions are in the works, etc. etc.

You are fee not to use that knowledge. Just don't act on any information you have aquired before. When in doubt, fly at a different corner of the map for one or two sorties.

While basically a Knight I switch a lot, and when I do so, I "forget" any CV location or airborne NOE missions. Missions that make huge darbars are fair game to me, but I won't give away position, composition or altitude unless I have gained that info by proper means in my new country. I won't call out a CV I know to have sneaked up the coast, nor will I attack it, unless someone triggers the base alarm.

It is really that simple, and rarely do I get any bad reactions from the majority of players (not speaking of the few usual CH200 clowns).

[pervert]

Just switch to a lower side then, really no ones fault just the circumstances at that moment in time. 

[WMLute]

You are fee not to use that knowledge. Just don't act on any information you have aquired before. When in doubt, fly at a different corner of the map for one or two sorties.

While basically a Knight I switch a lot, and when I do so, I "forget" any CV location or airborne NOE missions. Missions that make huge darbars are fair game to me, but I won't give away position, composition or altitude unless I have gained that info by proper means in my new country. I won't call out a CV I know to have sneaked up the coast, nor will I attack it, unless someone triggers the base alarm.

It is really that simple, and rarely do I get any bad reactions from the majority of players (not speaking of the few usual CH200 clowns).

100% my policy as well. 

Always has been.

[Wiley]

I think ENY is a decent solution for the problem.  The only legitimate source of friction I can see with it is when squad players get out of sync with one another switching sides.

I did a search and couldn't find anything along these lines.  Has some kind of ability to pull everyone from a squad over to one country ever been considered?  Same deal as it is currently where it's only available once an hour, but whoever is in the squad and in tower when the command is issued is moved over to the chosen country, and then any stragglers can use their 'personal' country transfer as well?

I can see opportunities for exploitation, but none that aren't already available in the current system.

Is this another of the 'Oh dear lord not another one spouting this idea' type suggestions?  It would seem to me a pretty simple solution, and would make it much easier for squads to switch for numbers.

Wiley.

[sycodon]

Under the current system, if there's one guy defending and 20 guys attacking on one side of the map and all of the players are elsewhere , but each side has 100 players total, no ENY.   Got it.  

I thought you actually wanted a change in ENY, specifically, were asking that it be applied locally, so that there was fairness everywhere.

Instead, you are simply saying that you don't care how unfair it might be elsewhere, you don't want to be bothered by it in your corner, where it's even (for example 20 vs 20) even though your side actually have 5 times the number of players, and is running rampant over other parts of the map where there's no one available to defend against your side's hordes.

I understand now, this was just a biznatch.  Carry on.

Ok, trying again.

Scenario 1.

100 players for each country. No ENY at all. If 20 guys are attacking a base with one defender...too tough, talk to your countrymen about helping.

Scenario 2.

100 players each for Bish and Nits, 50 for the Rooks...this would trigger ENY under the current system.

Now, with Local ENY:

If the Bish and Nits are slugging it out on one side of the map, they have no effective ENY.

If the Bish decide to go after a Rook base AND they up at a field close to the Rooks, then a Local ENY would be in effect.

If the Bish decide to up in the rear where the local ENY is NOT in effect (Due to the distance from the Rooks base), the cost of the plane (Even for non-perked planes) would rise as they approach Rook bases.

Effect:
Bish and Nits can fight each other away from Rook bases without being affected by ENY

Bish or Nits that up from bases near Rook bases have to deal with ENY.

Up from the rear and go to Rook bases, then it gets very expensive to lose a plane.

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So it is just as difficult and even more expensive for one side with numbers advantage to go after another without the numbers. But they can go against a side with equal numbers without dealing with ENY.

[VonMessa]

What undefended bases? I havent seen one since the new version came out... We manage just fine with high ENY. Gives you the chance to learn other planes and GV's..

Trust him, they have been desperately searching for them.....   

How about this for ENY?

HTC staff takes the time to re-review all the ideas proposed in every ENY whine thread?  In the meantime, they stop producing updates for every other part of the game.

No new terrain.

No remodeled planes.

No more sound updates.

No more eye-candy.

Nothing.

Just focus on coading a new ENY system.  When they are finished, they can reward us all by jacking up subscription fees to recoup all of the time wasted on changing a system that works just fine.  How is that? 

OR..............

all the whiners could harden the eff up and switch sides or fly lower ENY planes.  I can fly a 190 A8 ALL DAY LONG, regardless of side imbalances.

The current ENY system would work without a hitch if the PLAYERS would switch to a lowers numbers side.

Not fair, you say?

Totally fair, I say.

Yes, you are being punished.  It is because you aren't helping even out the odds.  Can't have both.

Don't like it?

1) Go marvel at the glowing orange ball of gas in the sky.

2) Play with the kids

3) Kick the dog

4) Get a second part-time job

5) Give it to your old lady (but keep the scarf and aviation glasses on, she might dig that...)

Frustrated with the game?  Find something else to do.   

I think it is plenty fair.

I also think that we are all getting one hell of a deal for 50 cents/day.

[Shuffler]

Call this a troll post if you want and lock it, I don't care.

But it's not my Golly-geened fault if there are fewer players on the other teams than there are on mine.

ENY of 20 plus wrecks the game. Period. While inducing people to just log off may even it out for those left and reduce the load on the server, it doesn't really seem like a sound business plan.

As far as being on the other side, if I'm out numbered 10 to 1, I derive little comfort from the fact they are all flying 25 ENY planes.

There has to be a better way to achieve the stated goals of the ENY system.

/rant

Doesn't look like a troll post. Looks more like a post that was not thought out very well. I'll address the items as best I can.

1) it's not my Golly-geened fault if there are fewer players on the other teams than there are on mine.

If you did nothing to help even the numbers then it is your fault.

2) ENY of 20 plus wrecks the game. Period. While inducing people to just log off may even it out for those left and reduce the load on the server, it doesn't really seem like a sound business plan.

Uneven numbers wreck the game. Since folks can't police themselves it has to be done for us. No one is inducing folks to log off. ENY induces folks to even sides. They are still free to do as they wish, change, stay, or log. The server load is a non-issue

3) As far as being on the other side, if I'm out numbered 10 to 1, I derive little comfort from the fact they are all flying 25 ENY planes.

It doesn't hurt.


4) There has to be a better way to achieve the stated goals of the ENY system.

What are your suggestions. So far none have been better than what we have now.


Hope this helps some.

[WMLute]

A simple SEARCH for "local ENY" will show you many threads on the subject.

Nobody has come up with a viable way to implement Local ENY.

Nor have you.

So far all you have is an idea that isn't fleshed out yet.

"I think it would work" or "I think they should..."  really doesn't help figure out the solution.

I hope you can figure out a VIABLE solution to this quandary.  Hopefully reading the hundreds of post on the topic after you do a SEARCH will help out some as you can see what some others have thought would "work" (but really wouldn't)

[sycodon]

So far all you have is an idea that isn't fleshed out yet.

"I think it would work" or "I think they should..."  really doesn't help figure out the solution.

I hope you can figure out a VIABLE solution to this quandary. 

See my post#66. I feel it is fleshed out fairly well. Check it and discuss it.

Without being privy to Aces High code base, all I can do is describe the desired behavior. How it fits in the code in up to them. But I have to expect that is it isn't nearly as difficult as most of the things in the Aces High code.

[VonMessa]

See my post#66. I feel it is fleshed out fairly well. Check it and discuss it.

Without being privy to Aces High code base, all I can do is describe the desired behavior. How it fits in the code in up to them. But I have to expect that is it isn't nearly as difficult as most of the things in the Aces High code.

Indeed.

That must be why they are withholding the "better" ENY system from us.  It was so easy to coad that it wasn't worthy of HiTech's super-uber, super loud IBM 101 keyboard.  There isn't enough lines to wake the dead with it..............

[Ghosth]

Lusche nailed it.

If I started flying for knight and switch'd to rook I wouldn't start by going knight hunting.
I'd start by looking for action against the bishops.

Just a matter of common sense, respect and consideration.

[SlapShot]

If the Bish decide to up in the rear where the local ENY is NOT in effect (Due to the distance from the Rooks base), the cost of the plane (Even for non-perked planes) would rise as they approach Rook bases.

There are a lot of us that have 10s of thousands of perks points ... so this really would have no effect on them at all.

So I jump in an La-7 / Mustang / Me-262 a couple of bases behind the local ENY and as I approach the front, the "cost" for that plane goes up. Now, that "cost" means doodily-squat if I don't get shot down ... so I bag 10 or so kills and return at no cost to me, but the side who has very minimal numbers still had to deal with me and fellow countrymen in late war monster rides ... you basically haven't changed anything.

Now, if out on a sortied as described above, tooling around in my La-7, I have 7 easy kills (vulches  ) under my belt, while the other 30 or so countrymen are capping in their late war monsters. I dive in and the ack kills me ... zOMfG !!! ... it just cost me 50 perk points ... oh well, I still have another 38,0000 perks to go ... so I up another La-7 and go back to the vulchfest.

Take the same situation as above, but I only have 100 perk points in the bank... so now, after dieing to the ack, I still have 50 perk points left ... I can still jump into the La-7 because there is no cost (non-perk plane) from where I am talking off ... so I still get to fly the La-7 to the vulchfest ? ... or as I approach the area being swarmed, and the cost rises to 60 perks for La-7, and I only have 50 in the bank, now what ? ... do I just blow up in mid-air or am I still allowed to bring my late war monster to the party ?

You really haven't flushed it out completely ... you flushed it out to the point that it works for you.

[Ghosth]

Lusche nailed it.

If I started flying for knight and switch'd to rook I wouldn't start by going knight hunting.
I'd start by looking for action against the bishops.

Just a matter of common sense, respect and consideration.