Research of the Spit 16

[uptown]

Number one overall performance plane has to be the Spitfire. I say remove the P-51D as it can't do anything except dive and run. P-51 pilots are the dweebs, not the Spitfire. "High Pony" is all I ever hear. Get in the fight already!

i'll be looking for you pal. 

[SIK1]

Number one overall performance plane has to be the Spitfire. I say remove the P-51D as it can't do anything except dive and run. P-51 pilots are the dweebs, not the Spitfire. "High Pony" is all I ever hear. Get in the fight already!

I take issue with that comment. I'll be looking for you in the MA sir. 

  a good pony driver is a dangerous thing no matter if he is above you or below you.

[redwing7]

No such thing as a dweeb ride in the game. The right tool for the right job & what you feel most comfortable in.

Not true, my wife says we are all dweebs.... Therefore by default they're all dweeb rides.

[lyric1]

Not true, my wife says we are all dweebs.... Therefore by default they're all dweeb rides.

Simple solution I found was I got rid of mine. But I do see your point.

[SmokinLoon]

There is absolutely no reason to perk any Spit we currently have in game.

That, kind Sir, is an opinion.

The Spit 16 is the most capable plane in the game.  What else can turn like it, roll like it, climbs as well, accelerates as good, goes as fast as it does, has the firepower it does, and carry the ordnance it does?  Sure, some can out dive it, some are faster, very few can out climb it, many carry more ordnance, but the total package the Spit 16 has to offer is tops.  If you give all the fighters a score of 1 to 10 for each and every category there is, the Spit 16 would be near the top in all but 2: over-all speed and dive ability.  Even then, the Spit 16 is not to be looked over in those 2 categories either.

I wont vouch for a perk on the Spit 16, but I would not flinch it once was placed on it.  I'm not sure what HTC just doesn't stretch out the ENY scoring a bit and give planes like the Spit 16, Tempest, 262, or other such uber planes score of LOWER than 5 ENY.  Why start at 5???

[bustr]

I remember threads like this because of the La7. You guys whined long and lound enough and HiTech castrated it for you. It was the ubiquitous newbie easy mode CrochRocket HOing HOARD ride. Now it's the spit16. Every newbie and no skill weenie drives one and doesn't have to have any experience or time in the saddel to kill the whiners here. Yeah, aint it a shame.

You show up over a feild and start having a good time in your personal peccodillo and all the weenies up spit16's to counter your hot streek. Instead of paying some fantasy dues you beleive you personaly paid to become an arbitor of Aces High moral worthiness. They just hop in a spit16 and easy mode wax your stupendous arse. It Ain't Fair you whine.

So much like modern politics. You think something is unfair to you personaly. Then you campaign and agitate for a law or ruling to castrate it in your personal favor. Your sales pitch hides your biased motivations under a pile of sanctamonius drivel to cover your shortcomings by punishing everyone in the community in your favor.

Like I said. An excellent technology thread acting as cover for a whine.........

[Ack-Ack]

That, kind Sir, is an opinion.

The Spit 16 is the most capable plane in the game.  What else can turn like it, roll like it, climbs as well, accelerates as good, goes as fast as it does, has the firepower it does, and carry the ordnance it does?  Sure, some can out dive it, some are faster, very few can out climb it, many carry more ordnance, but the total package the Spit 16 has to offer is tops.  If you give all the fighters a score of 1 to 10 for each and every category there is, the Spit 16 would be near the top in all but 2: over-all speed and dive ability.  Even then, the Spit 16 is not to be looked over in those 2 categories either.

I wont vouch for a perk on the Spit 16, but I would not flinch it once was placed on it.  I'm not sure what HTC just doesn't stretch out the ENY scoring a bit and give planes like the Spit 16, Tempest, 262, or other such uber planes score of LOWER than 5 ENY.  Why start at 5???

Lusche is absolutely correct.  No one has been able to prove that the Spitfire Mk XVI causes any unbalance in the game play and saying a plane "climbs well, accelerates good and goes as fast as it does" is hardly proof.  Oh, a Zeke can out turn it, as can a Brewster and a few others and the 190s roll just as good, if not better and again, some other planes as well.

ack-ack

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That, kind Sir, is an opinion.

The Spit 16 is the most capable plane in the game.  What else can turn like it, roll like it, climbs as well, accelerates as good, goes as fast as it does, has the firepower it does, and carry the ordnance it does?  Sure, some can out dive it, some are faster, very few can out climb it, many carry more ordnance, but the total package the Spit 16 has to offer is tops.  If you give all the fighters a score of 1 to 10 for each and every category there is, the Spit 16 would be near the top in all but 2: over-all speed and dive ability.  Even then, the Spit 16 is not to be looked over in those 2 categories either.

I wont vouch for a perk on the Spit 16, but I would not flinch it once was placed on it.  I'm not sure what HTC just doesn't stretch out the ENY scoring a bit and give planes like the Spit 16, Tempest, 262, or other such uber planes score of LOWER than 5 ENY.  Why start at 5???

don't know which 16 you are referring to but the one in AH is only dangerous when a pissed off vet takes one up to kill the lemmings, and you happen to run into him 1vs1,  even then there are plenty of planes that will smoke a 16 quit easily

far from "most capable plane in game" yes it is a very well rounded plane, but it is far far from most capable.

[Guppy35]

Guppy says they weren't used during the war, but I really recall reading about bubble canopy Spitfire FR.Mk XIVes that had clipped wings to address skin buckling that was being caused by the weight of the cameras.

Bubble canopy XIVs showed up before it was over, but the clipped birds didn't from everything I've ever found.  Some of the XIVs that were sent to the CBI at the end went with full span and had them clipped once they moved to Japan.

[Guppy35]

Pretty sure all fighter aircraft were designed with the best of intentions.


Guppy, I know all that. The thing is, when you're flying along in your 20 or 30 ENY plane and you see a dogpile of Spixteens coming at you, any attempt to avoid the most obvious outcome get's met with cries of being timid or some other b.s. Hell yeah I'm gonna be timid, I'd rather take on a group of C hogs. And lately, it's as if every single Spixteen is piloted by a HO monkey, as if the speed and bizarre agility isn't enough. Personally, unless I see <squeaker1> landed 2 kills in a Spitfire MkXVI, I laugh when someone gives a "WTG <insert name>". Go land 2 kills in a Spit V and I'll consider giving it a WTG.

Nothing I enjoy more then seeing a bunch of Spits coming at me in my 38G.  Makes for a great fight.  As for folks landing kills and getting attaboys.  Who cares.   No one dies, planes are free.  I'd rather fight and get clobbered in a mob then worry about landing in the MA.  I don't have enough flying time to ever think that matters.

[Guppy35]

Hmmm, I could be wrong but I think the LF XVI and F XVI are the same aircraft.  1) From what sources I could dig up both had the 266 engine (similar Pilot Manual as guppy/Corky listed except this one instead of listing it as the LF XVI, it just the F XVI instead).  2) From a listing of individual Spitfire Production records from the Air Ministry I haven't found any F XVI's, only LF XVI's.

There were only Merlin 266s in XVIs which means they were all geared for lower alt like the Merlin 66.  With Spitfire identification it gets a bit hard to follow.  For example.  There was no Spitfire IXc or XIVc.   As they were initially produced with the Universal wing and were only intended to have that wing, there was no letter ID.  When the E wing was designed and they started putting that on the IX and XIV it became IXe and XIVe.   As the XVI only ever had the E wing, it was just XVI.  As it was only produced with the one engine they didn't need to designate it LF as they did with the VIII and IX that had different engine models used in the production run depending on the alt band they were designed for.  You won't see a VIIIc either and there was no E wing added to the VIII so it never had a letter designating the armament package.

[dtango]

There were only Merlin 266s in XVIs which means they were all geared for lower alt like the Merlin 66.  With Spitfire identification it gets a bit hard to follow.  For example.  There was no Spitfire IXc or XIVc.   As they were initially produced with the Universal wing and were only intended to have that wing, there was no letter ID.  When the E wing was designed and they started putting that on the IX and XIV it became IXe and XIVe.   As the XVI only ever had the E wing, it was just XVI.  As it was only produced with the one engine they didn't need to designate it LF as they did with the VIII and IX that had different engine models used in the production run depending on the alt band they were designed for.  You won't see a VIIIc either and there was no E wing added to the VIII so it never had a letter designating the armament package.

Thanks for the confirmation. 

Brits just confuse me anyhow - centre/center, colour/color, labour/labor, chips/fries .

[321BAR]

a good pony driver is a dangerous thing no matter if he is above you or below you.

P51s are great support style planes at low alt furballs. having just enough E and speed to keep the right distance and flaps for turning on other enemies. if done right you will still keep the enemy away enough so you can pack a punch on the deck

[Kev367th]

Clipped XIV - Usually only FRXIV, full span with the extra camera weight caused wing root 'rippling'.
XVI - No wing designation suffix, all with 'e' wings so wasn't needed (ditto IX)
LF.IXe v XVI - Same animal, only difference is that the Merlin 66 in the LF.IX was substituted with an American built Merlin 66 (called 266 - 2 suffix designates manufactured abroad).
Externally only a serial number check will tell you for definate which one it is.

As for the original posters 'premise' - Not going to comment, still laughing.

[SIK1]

From what I've read so far it would seem that just about everyone, with the exception of the OP did their research on not only the spit xvi, but every other spit type and variant ever produced.