Are there Flight School Training Programs in Aces High? If not, can one be made?

[bbosen]

There are several training films out there.....
bbosen did one: http://techvideoreview.com/FlightSimMovies/AcesHigh/Training/AcesHighTrainingByPeabodyPage03Full.htm I haven't checked it out but I heard it was another good one.

It seems that The Fugitive was working on something like this as well, but I don't recall how far along he got with it.

The above link starts you out near the middle of my video training series. To get to the very beginning (very, very basic), look here:

http://techvideoreview.com/FlightSimMovies/AcesHigh/Training/AcesHighTrainingByPeabodyPage01Full.htm

The prequel to that shows how to download and install the Aces High software:


http://techvideoreview.com/FlightSimMovies/AcesHigh/Ah2Installation/AcesHighInstallationFullPage.htm


Regards,

[Dawger]

I did it over in Warbirds with a little project called the Warbirds Online Academy.

It was moderately successful.

The major issue with online training for a game is twofold.

Problem one is the vast majority of folks are not willing to spend any time on anything that doesn't involve trigger time so the fundamentals required to really understand what is going on get neglected.

The second problem is most folks figure they have learned everything they need to know right about the time they learn their first BFM.

I have a program of approximately 40 lessons (to flight lead...31 lessons for non-teamwork topics) that the average player should progress through three times. The first time is to become familiar with all of the subject matter. The second time to become competent at each topic and the third to fine tune each topic to a razor's edge.

There is very little interest in anyone ever completing such a regimen for a game. I've done a lot of real world aviation training as both instructor and recipient and hardly anyone can keep a high level of interest up throughout a long training program.

It is a lot of work for the instructors involved and it requires instructors to completely buy into the program. In Warbirds I had instructors who had come up through the Academy teaching the Academy material and method. Other trainers vehemently opposed such structured training saying their job was to give the student what he asked for not force them into a structured regimen.

All that being said a structured program is not the only way or even the best way. It is the fastest way to learn the material and the best method to train someone to teach the material because it standardizes the terminology.

Here is are the links to my material some of which is a decade old and unrevised.

https://home.comcast.net/~micelihouston/lessons/stages1through3.htm

this is the online version of the lesson progression we taught in the academy and I used in my squad back in the day

http://475fg.com/files.htm

Scroll down to Basic Course and Wingman Course pdf. Those are the old textbooks for the Warbirds Online Academy written many moons ago.

[Dawger]

As an aside, I've learned a lot over the years developing this stuff and teaching it. I laugh at some of the stuff I wrote and occasionally revise it.

The web pages are mostly current although I haven't revised them in a couple years and they aren't all posted yet.

[sky25]

I did it over in Warbirds with a little project called the Warbirds Online Academy.

It was moderately successful.

The major issue with online training for a game is twofold.

Problem one is the vast majority of folks are not willing to spend any time on anything that doesn't involve trigger time so the fundamentals required to really understand what is going on get neglected.

The second problem is most folks figure they have learned everything they need to know right about the time they learn their first BFM.

I have a program of approximately 40 lessons (to flight lead...31 lessons for non-teamwork topics) that the average player should progress through three times. The first time is to become familiar with all of the subject matter. The second time to become competent at each topic and the third to fine tune each topic to a razor's edge.

There is very little interest in anyone ever completing such a regimen for a game. I've done a lot of real world aviation training as both instructor and recipient and hardly anyone can keep a high level of interest up throughout a long training program.

It is a lot of work for the instructors involved and it requires instructors to completely buy into the program. In Warbirds I had instructors who had come up through the Academy teaching the Academy material and method. Other trainers vehemently opposed such structured training saying their job was to give the student what he asked for not force them into a structured regimen.

All that being said a structured program is not the only way or even the best way. It is the fastest way to learn the material and the best method to train someone to teach the material because it standardizes the terminology.

Here is are the links to my material some of which is a decade old and unrevised.

https://home.comcast.net/~micelihouston/lessons/stages1through3.htm

this is the online version of the lesson progression we taught in the academy and I used in my squad back in the day

http://475fg.com/files.htm

Scroll down to Basic Course and Wingman Course pdf. Those are the old textbooks for the Warbirds Online Academy written many moons ago.

Outstanding films and written text. I have been reading and watching the films. Thanks alot. I was looking for something like this...

[papjohns]

Holy crap dawger; that is outstanding--thanks. Mind if I download and throw them onto the JG77 website forum (with proper credit of course)?

I did it over in Warbirds with a little project called the Warbirds Online Academy.

It was moderately successful.

The major issue with online training for a game is twofold.

Problem one is the vast majority of folks are not willing to spend any time on anything that doesn't involve trigger time so the fundamentals required to really understand what is going on get neglected.

The second problem is most folks figure they have learned everything they need to know right about the time they learn their first BFM.

I have a program of approximately 40 lessons (to flight lead...31 lessons for non-teamwork topics) that the average player should progress through three times. The first time is to become familiar with all of the subject matter. The second time to become competent at each topic and the third to fine tune each topic to a razor's edge.

There is very little interest in anyone ever completing such a regimen for a game. I've done a lot of real world aviation training as both instructor and recipient and hardly anyone can keep a high level of interest up throughout a long training program.

It is a lot of work for the instructors involved and it requires instructors to completely buy into the program. In Warbirds I had instructors who had come up through the Academy teaching the Academy material and method. Other trainers vehemently opposed such structured training saying their job was to give the student what he asked for not force them into a structured regimen.

All that being said a structured program is not the only way or even the best way. It is the fastest way to learn the material and the best method to train someone to teach the material because it standardizes the terminology.

Here is are the links to my material some of which is a decade old and unrevised.

https://home.comcast.net/~micelihouston/lessons/stages1through3.htm

this is the online version of the lesson progression we taught in the academy and I used in my squad back in the day

http://475fg.com/files.htm

Scroll down to Basic Course and Wingman Course pdf. Those are the old textbooks for the Warbirds Online Academy written many moons ago.

[Dichotomy]

thank you sir!!!!

I'll be reading the heck out of that.

[Dawger]

Holy crap dawger; that is outstanding--thanks. Mind if I download and throw them onto the JG77 website forum (with proper credit of course)?

My only issue with you downloading them is I am always revising and updating and finishing. It is very far from complete. I decided to put the barest skeleton of the information online and slowly build from there. Otherwise it would never have seen the light of day. I have found over the years I have completely rewritten certain subjects several times. I would prefer you just link to it but that is entirely up to you.

Just yesterday I posted an entirely new topic.

I am not too concerned with credit. The information contained comes from lots of different sources and I don't credit them all myself.

The information is meant to be used as part of a training program and as I said before it is really meant to be covered three times consecutively. Also you will find much of it devoted to large squadron operation in an event setting.

I've deleted a few of the topics that were aimed specifically at my squadron but if you want those topics back I can certainly unkill the link.

And lastly, if anyone is interested in going through the program I am available.

[InCrypt]

 I’m done. I’m finished.

I just came from Early War. I went there to get a BREAK. To have a fewer number of fighters so I could concentrate on only one or two. I wanted to take a couple bases in peace and quiet. But no, I get Gang raped and butt F@!#ed. I try the Zeke, I try the Hurry. I get knocked out time and again.
Someone suggested I try late war, as there are more “new” players there and I might have better luck. Nope! Got A#$ Raped there too. I am so sick of it I can’t even begin to describe. I am so fed up right now I just don’t car.
See, I love flying. But this? This is a form self loathing torture. I’m getting no enjoyment out of it. It sucks.

So, I’m done. I’m finished with the platitudes. I’m don’t care about being Zen in order to fight. I’m sick of trying to figure out where I went wrong. I’m fed up with banging my head against what ever hard surface is handy, every two and a half minutes because I get shot down AGAIN! I don’t want to calm down. I don’t want to chill out. I just want to know where I go. Point me to the window, point me to who ever it is, where ever it is, that I have go to and pay, in order to win.

That’s all I want. I want to WIN. WHY THE F!@#$ CAN’T I WIN!

------- End tirade ---------

P.s. My little budast proverb down below? Yeah, F the master because he doesn't exist. Seven stinking months I've been at this and he still hasn't shown up.

[The Fugitive]

Did you film any of the fights?

If you did, post them and we can tell you what might have worked better or where you screwed up. Its a great way to get tips. It's also a great way for some clowns to have some fun at your expense, but if you have a bit of a thick skin you can weed out the good from the bad.

[InCrypt]

It was stupid crap. I got hit while typing on auto-climb, right off my base, by radar dots that were 5 k away, then 500 meters in the 20 to 30 seconds I was tying. I got HO’ed like 6 million times. I didn’t try to participate in the HO, I tried to duck it. But the BASTARD had an AIM BOT, or tracking bullets or something because they found me every single time.  I try and merge and they shoot BEHIND me and kill me. I guess that’s my lag shadow? On top of all of that I get jumped 2V1, then 3V1 and finally 5V1. I was the pivot wheel in a circle jerk. Even my squaddies have recognized; EVERY ONE SHOOTS AT ME FIRST. It’s happed time and again. I’ll be in the MIDDLE of a group of planes. The bad guys will fly in and pick ME to shoot at almost EVERY time. I’m an sweet magnet for this SH#!.

But I DON’T CARE ABOUT THAT RIGHT NOW!. Right now I want to PAY for at least 3 months of winning. I was to be invincible, butt kicking, and intimidating. I WANT TO WIN.

Where do I go for that? Screw this learning crap. It’s not working – and I should know, I’ve been putting in the time. So again, what’ll it cost me?

[Dichotomy]

as little comfort as it may seem can I suggest the AVA?  you'll get killed repeatedly but you will rarely get ganged and most of the regs in there are really great guys who would be happy to mentor you in their spare time.  Not me, of course, because I suck.  But I have a great time in there and in FSO's.

I've been where you are.  Put an inordinate amount of time into learning how to do this or that and for some unknown reason it just doesn't translate into reality for me.  But I'm patient I figure it will come with time.

An analogy for you.  

When I decided I wanted to learn how to be a night club DJ the fortunes paired me with one of the best in the country.  I pretty much got to carry his jock for five years and play the country sets when he took a break (he handled the dance music).  I kept trying to learn how to mix for a looonggg time (over two years).  I even bought my own setup to practice at home.  I told him one night that I was extremely frustrated and that, while I loved working with him, if I didn't figure it out soon I was going to throw in the towel.  He looked at me and said 'Don't give up man one day it will all just click and I'd hate this place if you weren't around.'  I think that this subconsciously eased my mind because about a month later I was practicing at home and my girlfriend came in the room and asked my if I was playing one of his tapes.  'no I'm practicing'  She gave me an incredulous look and said 'I think you found 'it''  Sure enough the next night before we got busy I spun a set for him and asked his opinion.  He smiled and said 'You get the main dance set tonight and I'm going to get drunk'.  After that a few months later he moved on to bigger and better things and I, over the next few years, became the most sought after jock in the area.  

So that's what I'm doing now.  Studying, 'flying', and getting the crap kicked out of me.  I laugh every time. Someday it will all click and I'll be alright if not good.

PM me if you like perhaps we can make arrangements to wing up.  We might die gloriously but at least it'd be the horde against 2

 

[FLS]

It's not just the learning, it's also the practicing. Some of the people flying here were "invincible, butt kicking, and intimidating" 10 years ago, now they're better. If you happen to run into one you're probably going to get shot down. No amount of training will change that. Getting shot down is part of paying the cost to win. Frustration is part of paying the cost. Watching your films to see if you were randomly picked to be the first target or if you hung the "shoot me first" sign on your aircraft is part of paying the cost.  It may be hard to accept but you're right where you should be now.  

[Ghosth]

7 months, gee, many of us have been doing this for 10 years or more.
Frankly, you are better than some of us, you know this.

So why all the frustration and angst?

With your handicaps are you likely to be #1 any time this decade, hmmm probably not.

Can you fly well enough to enjoy yourself? Well that may be more about your expectations than your skills.

[ImADot]

My squad and I spend a lot of time in EW and some in MW.  We try to fly together (and sometimes against each other just for fun).  We'll stay out of each others fights, but we are also practicing up on some of that pile-it junk like flying as wingman/lead.  We don't dogpile on lone cons and most all of us just enjoy the fight more than the kills.

Sorry you're not having any fun at the moment.  Sounds like you're seeing greater than usual lag issues.  As far as always being attacked first, perhaps it's the way you're flying or your position in relation to everyone else that makes you a more appealing target.

[The Fugitive]

When I fly EW and MW I go in there with the knowledge that I'm going to get shot down. I also know it's NOT because I suck. I accept the fact that there are some little hitler squads in there and they do nothing but mini horde and gang you. The reason is most of them can't fight their way out of a wet paper bag by themselves, and if they piss you off enough they know you will leave and they can get back to rolling the map and building hteir little scores.

I use it to get warmed up quick. I know I'm going to get jumped and I concentrate on just dodging and surviving as long as I can. Maybe taking one or two with me  

Like I said, post your films, let a few of us look at them. It may be that sure your getting killed, but it might be because they just got lucky and hit you the right way and there wasn't ANYTHING ANYONE could have done to win. To me wining is the end all of the fight. If I did everything I could think of , not make any stupid mistakes ( like typing on climb out   ) and still got shot down, I can live with that. To me it's the fight. If I did good in the fight I'm ok wit it.

Like Ghosth said some of these guys have been playing for years....I'm one of them. My story is, is that I don't have the time to PRACTICE like some of these guys. I'm an average cartoon pilot and can live with it. If your putting hundreds of hours in each month then ok you might be missing something, but if you have a real life outside the game it's going to take time to get to the top. You can't expect it to happen over night. If it did we would ALL be at the top....imagine how bad that would suck!