Get rid of MA

[Lusche]

Lusche, I see your sphincter opinion is in high gear...put up or shut up...if you think you can do better, post a suggestion for a setup in the AvA, one of the admins will run it if it has any historical merit.

Slowly I'm starting to wonder what you real problem is.

[Lusche]

AvA is empty because it does not have a good style of gameplay. they are working to fix this lusche... give it time.

Oh, they can get all the time in the world. That cute lil arena doesn't bother me at all.

I just get kinda upset when someone thinks he should solve the low number problem by forcing everyone to play that way.
But I have always supported the small arenas like EW AvA against similar requests by LWMA players ("waste of server space, shut them down"). It's both the same thing: I'm not itnerested in your gameplay, so I ask HT do make you stop.

[jimson]

Some time back I suggested such a set up in the MA just once a week, something of an AvA Titanic Tuesday.

I got slapped down pretty hard, even by Hitech himself.

I won't even argue why people shouldn't prefer the Spit vs Spit, Corsair vs Mustang extravaganza anymore.

I just accepted that they do, but that was never what I envisioned when I first started trying to pursue my "Walter Mitty" WW2 fighter pilot fantasy.

I started flying in the AvA almost exclusively and got more and more involved with it.

As long as the cute lil arena exists, that's where I'll be. If it goes away, so will I.

I lose more than I win, but I enjoy trying as real pilots did, to find a way to prevail in a clunky F4F against a nimble Zero.

It's just more my "thing".

[Karnak]

Karnak, you really should look in the AvA forum for Jimson's setup and make your recommendations there. Bad enough you insult him by making ASSumptions about his intentions with the setup. It's his lone effort to make something happen in the AvA because he wants to see it succeed. Either offer some genuine help because you have an interest or...(i'll let you guess what four words to use).

I gave up on the AvA years ago due to the absolutely over the top bias shown in multiple setups.  When the AvA was originally created as the CT I joined a Japanese themed squad, the 27th Sentai, to help balance the most lopsided scenarios.  I recall the "fun" of A6M2s vs F4U-1s.  Even though the F4U was only available in the backfield, most fighters we met were F4Us.  The score went 42 to 8 in favor of the F4U, just as Japanese side players had said it would.  My personal score went 1-0 against the F4U, but my kill was sheer luck, firing at about 400 yards on an F4U diving away from me in a twisting dive, somehow my burst of Type 99 Model 1 cannon rounds connected.

I recall many Spitfire Mk IX (mid-1942) vs Bf109G-10 (late 1944) setups even though the Mk XIV (mid-1944) was available.

Maybe it has changed, but I just got sick of the ridiculous setups.  Flying a 1937 Japanese dive bomber into the teeth of 1945 American power was sooooo fun.

[waystin2]

Nope.  I like the sandbox the way it is.  Mind you, your ideas would be interesting in a different setting.

[gyrene81]

I gave up on the AvA years ago due to the absolutely over the top bias shown in multiple setups.  When the AvA was originally created as the CT I joined a Japanese themed squad, the 27th Sentai, to help balance the most lopsided scenarios.  I recall the "fun" of A6M2s vs F4U-1s.  Even though the F4U was only available in the backfield, most fighters we met were F4Us.  The score went 42 to 8 in favor of the F4U, just as Japanese side players had said it would.  My personal score went 1-0 against the F4U, but my kill was sheer luck, firing at about 400 yards on an F4U diving away from me in a twisting dive, somehow my burst of Type 99 Model 1 cannon rounds connected.

I recall many Spitfire Mk IX (mid-1942) vs Bf109G-10 (late 1944) setups even though the Mk XIV (mid-1944) was available.

Maybe it has changed, but I just got sick of the ridiculous setups.  Flying a 1937 Japanese dive bomber into the teeth of 1945 American power was sooooo fun.

Believe it or not Karnak, that hasn't been the overall case since March of this year. Sure there have been a couple of setups when we had to sub something to make it interesting, but even the special events do that, yet the AvA gets slammed by players for doing it.

Most of our setups end up as nothing but dogfight furballs, simply because we lack the ability to create an automated rolling objective base setup. As it sits, it's nearly impossible to get people to look at the objectives as anything but an interesting side note. We have tried limited equipment setups with objectives to gain access to better equipment. Without some added arena admin capabilities and smaller AvA oriented maps, it's furball city with a historical flair.



Hey Lusche, I have $10 USD payable via paypal that says you can't handle the AvA. 
*I miss understood your comment yesterday about getting rid of the AvA* over reaction.

[Lusche]

Hey Lusche, I have $10 USD payable via paypal that says you can't handle the AvA. 

That's correct, I can't.

[321BAR]

Where have you been flying? When we were running objective base setups, nobody liked it. I've seen countless people talk about how the AvA used to be this and AvA used to be that...yet not one has come up with a snigle idea that is better and they all the same excuses. I'm done stressing myself with any effort into the AvA, this entire community has one thing it does well...whine about what's wrong and it's always someone elses fault.

chill out gyrene. i want AvA to work not to let it fail... re read what i said and you can SEE that. objective base setups so far have been to unrealistic. And everyone is trying to come up with better ideas and i have been also but i have either been shot down in all topics or ignored. so stop flaming me because i tried just as hard.

Kinda hijacked this thread by accident, sorry all. This will be my last non OP related post here, but by all means I welcome suggestions in the AvA forum.
 

It's tough, as an automatic reset just fubars things and a staffer can't be available 24/7 to run it like an SEA event, hence this approach for the Aug 19th set up.

i personally cant wait for the set up. but i agree... the reset fubars it up.

Oh, they can get all the time in the world. That cute lil arena doesn't bother me at all.

I just get kinda upset when someone thinks he should solve the low number problem by forcing everyone to play that way.
But I have always supported the small arenas like EW AvA against similar requests by LWMA players ("waste of server space, shut them down"). It's both the same thing: I'm not itnerested in your gameplay, so I ask HT do make you stop.

my apologies lusche but play in what way exactly? i must have missed that section of these posts

[Lusche]

.my apologies lusche but play in what way exactly? i must have missed that section of these posts

How could you miss that? it's the very core of the OP: He doesn't like to see allied planes fighting vs alloed planes, so he explicitly asked for removing the MA.

[321BAR]

How could you miss that? it's the very core of the OP: He doesn't like to see allied planes fighting vs alloed planes, so he explicitly asked for removing the MA.

ahh i thought you were talking about the AvA with that post...

[Nemisis]

I wouldn't mind seeing some historical maps run (stalingrad, lenningrad, Aachen, Paris, normandy (with historicly accurate beaches), etc.), but I don't want the MA taken away. I (for some unexplainable reason) can't fly spitfires, coursairs, or P-38's, which would leave me with the lesser planes of the era if I flew allied. And if I flew axis, I would be outnumbered and getting hoarded by spits.


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[minke]

I still stand by my original post, having historical (or near historical) maps, realistic matched A/C and GV in no way forces people to fly a particular ride or fight in any different way, ENY is the only real enemy here. The tools are there for all terrain types on all fronts, forest, desert, tundra. Why not use it?
   The fear of any kind of change on these boards is almost comical. How many people would actually cancel their account if this was trialled for a couple of days, or even a week? I call bs on anyone who says yes.
  Despite the recent changes, I feel the MA is getting stale, more so the LW arenas, far too many 1 maneouvre-rinse and repeat pilots out there. If that is what you want to do then fine, carry on. Just open your eyes and consider some other options,thats all i'm sayin'

out
 

[Lusche]

How many people would actually cancel their account if this was trialled for a couple of days, or even a week?

What do you expect from trial of few days? You shut down the old MA, open the new AvAMA... and w00t! The new arena is full of players - because there ain't another place to go. Does that mean success?

In the long run, a friggin lot of players would leave, as the genuine imbalances (as pointed out in this thread) have not been adressed. Just see the ETO: B-24., B17s and Lancasters vs... Ju 88.

A pure AvA setup works on a small scale, when like minded enthusiasts meet in a small arena, and it works in scenarios because they have set up quite rigid rules and strict guidelines to allow for a balanced scenario.

 Despite the recent changes, I feel the MA is getting stale, more so the LW arenas, far too many 1 maneouvre-rinse and repeat pilots out there.

And you expect a AvA setup would change the ACM skill level?
Actually you would probably see MORE of that. For example in PTO: The allies have all the fast planes, the axis has all the slow turners. One trick jockeys on the allied side will be quite successful, as they do not have to fear a Japanese plane that can effectively counter their hit & run tactics.
In a free for all win the war arena with all kind of players it can not work as well as the current setup does.

[Nemisis]

In general, the allies have more multi-purpose planes. The only Axis fighter capapble of carring 2000lbs of ordanance is the Bf110, which will likely have a speed deficet of 50mph or more. The Russians are even more limited than the germans, having not a single fighter capable of carrying even 500lbs or bombs.


Like I said, +1 for the maps, -1 for the plane restrictions.

[gyrene81]

How many people would actually cancel their account if this was trialled for a couple of days, or even a week? I call bs on anyone who says yes.

The actual reality would astound you. If you don't believe it, just do a search for "fix it or else" in the general discussions forums. I can name 10 off the top of my head that would first post an ugly diatribe in the forums after calling HTC on the phone, then cancel their accounts. When you got online, you would see somewhere around ~100 total players online during prime time.


I think you also miss the one little thing that quite a few people miss. The main arenas are for the general mass of players of every skill level. The are set up that way on purpose. To give everyone, new and old, an almost completely unfettered environment to mess around in. The DA is for people who want to some something specific without having their activities interfered with, whether that be duels, furballs, tanking, bombing etc... The AvA is for players who want more historical matchups with just 2 sides going head to head. The special events arenas are obvious.

If people were to take the time an actually look at their choices with as somewhat educated adults, HTC has provided a full array of choices for people to experience. It's up to them to partake in those choices or not...and the excuse that "too many lame tard na na's in there" is nothing more than a childish temper tantrum mentality.

End result Minke, if you want more historical matchups, post your ideas in the AvA. Not only will you get feedback, it's a good possibility that someone will be willing to oblige your request and run it for a week. If you're going to say, "it's always empty", consider that if the main arenas were set up the way you are wanting, they would be empty just like the AvA.

chill out gyrene. i want AvA to work not to let it fail... re read what i said and you can SEE that. objective base setups so far have been to unrealistic. And everyone is trying to come up with better ideas and i have been also but i have either been shot down in all topics or ignored. so stop flaming me because i tried just as hard.i personally cant wait for the set up. but i agree... the reset fubars it up.

I'm not chilling out because I didn't flame you....  

Put your glasses on and look again:


You responded to Lusche by saying the AvA is empty because it doesn't have good gameplay and that you would love playing in the AvA if it had objectives.
My response....where have you been flying? Since we made the no enemy icons change, the AvA staff and dev group have been focused on objective based setups, with few exceptions. Seems to me you haven't been flying in the AvA or even looking at the setups being run.