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Offline BrownBaron

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Which would be more beneficial?
« on: August 11, 2010, 02:13:11 AM »
Being a kid, and my family in a nonplussed financial state, money is limited to me. That being said, I am looking to purchase some sort of game-bettering gadget that delivers a great deal of bang for my rationed buck.

I understand that many players use TrackIR, and are quite happy with it, but for the price of a trackIR system, would I be better off purchasing a fancy stick and rudder pedal system? 

Unable to decide between TrackIR and a cheap new stick for about $175, or a Saitek X52 pro+Saitek pro flight rudder pedals for $250, I bring my dilema to you, the players with whom I will compete.

I sincerely apologize for the poor composition and wording of this post, but it is quite late for me. Thanks in advance for opinions.
« Last Edit: August 11, 2010, 02:15:48 AM by BrownBaron »
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Re: Which would be more beneficial?
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2010, 02:20:56 AM »
Of course, I am going by bestbuy/TrackIR listed prices, and feel free to suggest a more cost-effective set-up if you know of one. Thank you.
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Re: Which would be more beneficial?
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2010, 02:47:36 AM »
gaming seat! :old: 
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Re: Which would be more beneficial?
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2010, 02:48:44 AM »
By the way stop playing this game and do your homework! :old:
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Offline Tigger29

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Re: Which would be more beneficial?
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2010, 03:05:09 AM »
What kind of stick are you using now?

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Re: Which would be more beneficial?
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2010, 03:12:45 AM »
I should add that amazon.com has the Saitek X52 for $83, rudder pedals for $110, and TrackIR4 for $120 (Actually if you order TrackIR4 directly from Naturalpoint.com you can get the unit AND the headset clip for $120).  While I'm sure TrackIR5 is nice and all, I'm very happy with my TrackIR4.

You could theoretically get both the X52 and the TrackIR but not the pedals (the stick has a twisty rudder).  I'm not a fan of the twisty personally, but some people are.  Or even save more money and get a Thrustmaster Hotas instead of an X52 for about $35.

You might also find a cheap slightly used TrackIR somewhere, as some people never can get used to it (or get motion sickness from it).

I got lucky and got a Logitech G940 setup from amazon for $200 brand new (includes stick, throttle, AND pedals) but now it's back up to $270 or so (but there's a $50 rebate available apparently).  It's a nice stick and all but still has a few minor bugs, however it's still tons more precise than my X52 ever was... which is a shame because the X52 was such a comfortable and natural stick to use.  Not that I was unhappy with it, but the precision of the G940 is just so much better.

Many people will argue to go with CH stuff but I can't vouch for them personally.

To be honest though, as much as I love my TrackIR and pedals, the biggest thing I got that helped with immersion was some surround sound headphones.  The Turtle Beach HPA2 is HIGHLY recommended.
« Last Edit: August 11, 2010, 03:22:55 AM by Tigger29 »

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Re: Which would be more beneficial?
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2010, 12:00:25 PM »
By the way stop playing this game and do your homework! :old:

Homework and gaming don't conflict much with me. I am enrolled in one of California's better Honors programs, and still manage to obtain high marks despite this addiction of mine.

I was looking at the G940 system, but one of my squadies had had quite a few issues with it spiking the ruder, or deciding it wanted to go into a sharp dive. Curently, I am struggleing with a Saitek 290 Pro, which has a few deadly faults. I think I will look into getting  TrackIR and stick first, then purchase some rudder pedals.

Thanks, Tigger.
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Re: Which would be more beneficial?
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2010, 12:09:04 PM »
Here's what I did.  Feel free to use the same method or chuck it but it worked for me when I was on a tight budget.

CH Pedals $110 at Fryes
a couple of weeks later
CH Flight Stick $110
Then
CH Throttle.  I got real lucky because a member in my squad didn't like the TrackIR he bought and I picked it up on the cheap. 

I like the CH stuff because it just feels like it's sturdier than comparable equipment.  But that's something only you decide.  Also keep an eye out here and on ebay for people that have equipment they're not using or are planning on getting rid of for whatever reason, 

That's just my .02.  Good luck and well done on your school work.
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Re: Which would be more beneficial?
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2010, 12:41:57 PM »
I have track IR 5 it's very good :old:
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Re: Which would be more beneficial?
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2010, 01:59:25 PM »
The cheapest Place I've found to buy CH stuff is PROVANTAGE. Here is a link for the CH stuff:http://www.provantage.com/~56GMCNTLCHPD.htm
I would start with getting the your stick.throttle and peddles first and then the TIR. the controllers are going to be the best place to start and then add the TIR into the mix. You want good controllers to start that would help you the most.
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Re: Which would be more beneficial?
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2010, 02:03:32 PM »
Nice

Thanks Cryptic

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Re: Which would be more beneficial?
« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2010, 02:19:20 PM »
luft dweebs don't need CH it won't save them.   repent!

stick with saitek !
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Re: Which would be more beneficial?
« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2010, 02:29:53 PM »
BrownBaron, I think you should start with your allotted budget.  I find that knowing what my spending limits are is the first step when I'm contemplating an upgrade.  Most people probably take that approach.  If your budget is limited, it often pares things down and makes your choices obvious.

Next, assuming that your budget allows you to buy any of the items discussed above, I would use this rule of thumb: Performance... then Immersion.

Leaving aside performance gains that you might get from spending your budget on a new graphics or sound card (for the sake of argument, let's say your hardware is in good shape and you're okay on both of these essentials for the time being), IMO, you should then look to what in-game performance enhancements your budget will buy you before buying any in-game immersion enhancements with that limited budget.

For me, the order then becomes: High quality controllers (brand of choice, but for me, that means a full HOTAS rig with rudder pedals)--->high quality headphones/mic (brand of choice)--->TrackIR or FreeTrack--->Large monitor or 3 monitors-->full simpit (truly only for completely addicted).

Some of you would say some of this is unnecessary, frivolous, or my order is wrong (possibly true).  My point here is that, with all the gizmos and gadgets we can apply to this addiction, figuring out an order of progressive investment in what you implement is a good way to get started.  It puts your highest gains in your earliest purchases, and makes it easier to budget for the later items. 

Bottom line for me: Just use common sense and start with what will immediately impact how you perform in the game (for me, that's the controllers), then move outward toward the immersive stuff like a big monitor or multiple screens.

Good luck and have fun.  :aok

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Re: Which would be more beneficial?
« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2010, 02:32:59 PM »
I say go for a stick and pedals, they will help you more in the long run than trackir. Not that trackir is bad, its very good but takes some getting used to. If your budget is tight go for the stick and pedals but if its the x52 you like the feel of, go for the x52 pro (better quality)

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Re: Which would be more beneficial?
« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2010, 03:52:53 PM »
The cheapest Place I've found to buy CH stuff is PROVANTAGE. Here is a link for the CH stuff:http://www.provantage.com/~56GMCNTLCHPD.htm
I would start with getting the your stick.throttle and peddles first and then the TIR. the controllers are going to be the best place to start and then add the TIR into the mix. You want good controllers to start that would help you the most.

Hm. That's a very nice find there. After reading more review of the X52 pro, several owners found that their sticks had objections to making it past the 1 year mark. After more thought, I figured with rudder pedals, a twisty stick would simply be a bother. I think I'm to go with the CH fighter stick, CH Pro rudder pedals, and attempt to scrap something together for FreeTrack. Wouldn't be able to enjoy all those pretty LED's on the X52 if they were messing with my views.

After navigating the site a bit, I can not deduce why the CH combat stick is $30 cheaper than the CH Fighter stick. They both appear to be the same stick, both in looks, and in specifications. Anybody know?
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