For the Love of God PLEASE!!!!

[gyrene81]

Listen to the majority of your customers and put the arena cap at something realistic during Euro times (500 up) or get rid of the stupid thing! I don't know any member flying at Euro times that thinks it is a good idea! Try spending some of that money we keep giving you!  

VoX has a very valid point.

Bold underlined text, no he doesn't. Is the arena caps a pita sometimes? Yes, especially for the euro players but they are not the majority of the players, the majority of the players are not complaining and the arena caps have nothing to do with the fees we pay to play.

[gyrene81]

what does this has to do with arena caps?


semp

Response to this:

I work on an MPLS network with over a 1000 users on it within the aerospace industry, I know the cost of running leased lines, you are most obviously doing something outside of the IT industry, if HTC have a set of accounts available for us all to have a look at then the above statement might hold some water, until then don't try arse kissing around an economical subject that you obviously do not have a clue what you are spouting about.

Has nothing to do with arena caps.

[RedTop]

like talkin to one of those mr know it alls....and common sense or or polite dialog isn't in them at all.....

Done with ya.....I have talked to TONS online and there are tons of threads with people having the same prob as VOX.....because you say it isn't a problem doesn't make it so.

[guncrasher]

the majority of the players are not complaining and the arena caps have nothing to do with the fees we pay to play.

this is so wrong, the majority of players do complain about it, but decided long time ago that it wont change so they gave up.  giving a choice most players will join the arena with the most numbers, so you think if they get second choice, they'll be just as satisfied?

semp

[gyrene81]

this is so wrong, the majority of players do complain about it, but decided long time ago that it wont change so they gave up.  giving a choice most players will join the arena with the most numbers, so you think if they get second choice, they'll be just as satisfied?

semp

I can only go by what I see in the forums. Most all of us know there are a very large number of players who either do not look in the forums or limit their forum participation to specific areas outside of the general discussions. So doing an advanced search with the key words "arena caps" and having the search be conducted by the subject line so as to eliminate other discussions involving arena caps (i.e. ideas on how to improve the implementation or what have you) the exact number of gripe discussions started in the General Discussions forum alone since arena caps were started is...11.

The number of people who have been actively posting complaints since the inception of arena caps is approximately 30 from 2006 forward to now...again only in the General Discussions forum.


Now for those who have not found it nor taken the time to search for it, here is what Pyro posted in 2006 about arena caps with the ensuing 41 pages of discussion...if you have the time, it's a good educational read:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,187226.msg2168845.html#msg2168845


Now I do not disagree that arena caps are a problem, more for some than others. I have experienced it a few times myself, but rather than ranting like a 2 year old deprived of a sucker from mommy at the grocery store, I found it was just as easy to log in to a different arena for an hour or so and try again later. When you're flying around getting into sporadic fights, the time goes quickly.

[mechanic]

Some people dont have an 'hour or so' to hang around, Gyrene. I think your assumptions based on a USA time zone experience have little importance in this debate.

[Serenity]

Gyrene, stop being a salamander. Thank you.

Your experience is VERY different from the Euro experience. I pretty much flew early Euro times when I lived in Hawaii, so I know where he is coming from. It's miserable when the caps are so bad you cannot get into one arena where you have 5 or 6 squad members, the other late war has NO action at all no matter what base you try to troll up, and you don't want to go mid-war. We KNOW HTC can change the caps at will. They do it for titanic tuesday. Why not open them up a little more for the Euros? It's not really going to cost anything extra just to change a piece of coad.

[TnDep]

Gyrene, stop being a salamander. Thank you.

Your experience is VERY different from the Euro experience. I pretty much flew early Euro times when I lived in Hawaii, so I know where he is coming from. It's miserable when the caps are so bad you cannot get into one arena where you have 5 or 6 squad members, the other late war has NO action at all no matter what base you try to troll up, and you don't want to go mid-war. We KNOW HTC can change the caps at will. They do it for titanic tuesday. Why not open them up a little more for the Euros? It's not really going to cost anything extra just to change a piece of coad.

+1

[milesobrian]

any one who plays in the after noon in the usa or late morning, experiences the arena especially when it turns on and everyone who isnt loged on the the first arena are all forced to go in to an arena that is barely populated....how is this a business decision....are we really to believe that the game is that much more out of control when alot of people are their, versus when only a few are in the arena.  all it takes is one person to cause trouble.  contrary to what the game developers think....denying players the experience they paid for just to minimize swear words and other behavior is HARDLY WORTH IT....

and when my mouse icon disappears (and no it wasnt because i pressed the N key) I had to close and restart my game (alt f4) and they open blue  arena, which has 7 people....so now what can i do sit around while my plane flys autopilot for find a fight???  but with TT i can log off get some things done and still be confidant that i will be able to log into that arena in an hour.

If they are going to use two arenas just have them both open at all times with no cap and let the players decide where they want to go...instead of forcing players to log into an unpopulated server, because this is not what we pay for.  I can go play by myself in offline for free, but thats no fun so I choose to pay and play with other human users.

[gyrene81]

Some people dont have an 'hour or so' to hang around, Gyrene. I think your assumptions based on a USA time zone experience have little importance in this debate.

Sooo...are you saying it's ok to throw a childish temper tantrum about something that has been discussed in these forums ad nauseum, with actual evidence that shows only a small number of the overall population actually experience the issue on a regular basis and in spite of what information HTC has regarding their business decision 4 years ago?

Almost sounds contradictory to your fanboi post:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,295151.0.html

[guncrasher]

I can only go by what I see in the forums. Most all of us know there are a very large number of players who either do not look in the forums or limit their forum participation to specific areas outside of the general discussions. So doing an advanced search with the key words "arena caps" and having the search be conducted by the subject line so as to eliminate other discussions involving arena caps (i.e. ideas on how to improve the implementation or what have you) the exact number of gripe discussions started in the General Discussions forum alone since arena caps were started is...11.

The number of people who have been actively posting complaints since the inception of arena caps is approximately 30 from 2006 forward to now...again only in the General Discussions forum.


Now for those who have not found it nor taken the time to search for it, here is what Pyro posted in 2006 about arena caps with the ensuing 41 pages of discussion...if you have the time, it's a good educational read:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,187226.msg2168845.html#msg2168845


Now I do not disagree that arena caps are a problem, more for some than others. I have experienced it a few times myself, but rather than ranting like a 2 year old deprived of a sucker from mommy at the grocery store, I found it was just as easy to log in to a different arena for an hour or so and try again later. When you're flying around getting into sporadic fights, the time goes quickly.

I like to play before going to work for an hour or two.  I work at 2 pm pst.  I gave up long time ago trying to log at that time, since there was one arena with about 200 and another with 1/4 of that.  Now i could go to the arena with low numbers and pork bases to up my scores (which is a personal joke to me) or play pogo.  you really want to find how how caps are loved/disliked/dont care, ask on country chanel, or even dare to go on 200.  I bet my girlfriend's dog, that most people hate them even more than they hate eny.

which reminds me why in the heck there's an arena cap at 11 pm pst, that's like 2 am on the east coast and in europe is like the next day.

and not to insult/embarrass ah but this is from their site.

Accurate flight modeling of over 95 aircraft, vehicles, and boats from around the world.

sure all planes flew at full speed with 1/2 a  wing and could fully outturn a fly with 1/2 the tail missing in ww2.

Fight against hundreds of real players from around the world.

as long as the caps havent been enebled.



semp

[Traveler]

I can only go by what I see in the forums. Most all of us know there are a very large number of players who either do not look in the forums or limit their forum participation to specific areas outside of the general discussions. So doing an advanced search with the key words "arena caps" and having the search be conducted by the subject line so as to eliminate other discussions involving arena caps (i.e. ideas on how to improve the implementation or what have you) the exact number of gripe discussions started in the General Discussions forum alone since arena caps were started is...11.

The number of people who have been actively posting complaints since the inception of arena caps is approximately 30 from 2006 forward to now...again only in the General Discussions forum.


Now for those who have not found it nor taken the time to search for it, here is what Pyro posted in 2006 about arena caps with the ensuing 41 pages of discussion...if you have the time, it's a good educational read:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,187226.msg2168845.html#msg2168845


Now I do not disagree that arena caps are a problem, more for some than others. I have experienced it a few times myself, but rather than ranting like a 2 year old deprived of a sucker from mommy at the grocery store, I found it was just as easy to log in to a different arena for an hour or so and try again later. When you're flying around getting into sporadic fights, the time goes quickly.

This is a quote from pyro

“We made this change because it will allow us to support an unlimited amount of players in a much healthier online environment that gives us better long-term growth.  The single MA has grown to the point of being unhealthy.  This is not a subjective evaluation, it is quantifiable and they are numbers that we look at every day.  It’s obvious that we simply cannot keep pumping more players into a single arena without hitting a stagnation point”

The part I have a problem understanding is the following: “The single MA has grown to the point of being unhealthy”  I just don’t understand what that statement means.  Are the quantifiable numbers he is referring to subscriptions?  

[grizz441]

Me thinks gyrene is on the HTC payroll... 

[mechanic]

Sooo...are you saying it's ok to throw a childish temper tantrum about something that has been discussed in these forums ad nauseum, with actual evidence that shows only a small number of the overall population actually experience the issue on a regular basis and in spite of what information HTC has regarding their business decision 4 years ago?

Almost sounds contradictory to your fanboi post:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,295151.0.html

Almost sounds or does sound?

To me it looks like all I did here was make the distinction that your experiences with the arena caps during US time zone makes your opinion on someone else's opinion during Euro time zone not very important. Simples!

Nothing personal, although you are acting like a bit of a sweetheart in this thread  

[gyrene81]

Almost sounds or does sound?

To me it looks like all I did here was make the distinction that your experiences with the arena caps during US time zone makes your opinion on someone else's opinion during Euro time zone not very important. Simples!

Nothing personal, although you are acting like a bit of a sweetheart in this thread  

Almost sounds...

You make erroneous assumptions about my experiences. I telecommute on Mondays, and it's usually slow on those days so I have plenty of time and enough computers to multitask. Yes, I see the arena caps hit and affect people yet strangely enough those who don't stomp around like little children inevitably find themselves having fun. It's an amazing sight. So, what is it that bothers you about my attitude here, the fact that I point out the childish rants like the OP or the fact that I ridicule the childish rants?

Just so there is no further erroneous ASSumptions from reading comprehension disabilities (seems to be an epidemic)...I never said I didn't have an issue with the arena caps. I just choose to handle the issue in a more adult manner.

The part I have a problem understanding is the following: “The single MA has grown to the point of being unhealthy”  I just don’t understand what that statement means.  Are the quantifiable numbers he is referring to subscriptions? 

From what I've discerned looking at old discussions, the issue was part behavior and part over crowding. HTC has repeatedly stated they have stats on what all was going on prior to the arena splits and implementation of caps. In 4 years Lusche is the first one to propose a change that HTC appeared to be considering a few months back.