remove absent player from arena.

[Jayhawk]

Rarely do I have to wait more than 5 minutes to be able to join my squad in the right arena.  I just logged on and caps on Orange were at 105/100.  Started the clock, took 3 minutes before I was able to log in.  If I wanted instant action I could have jumped in blue, but if I did want to fly with guys in Orange, I had to put myself through 3 agonizing minutes of patience.  Caps can be an annoyance when you get on, but I think it's been made very clear that they are here for a reason, and they're not leaving.

Also, checked the people on.  74% were in-flight at the time I checked.  Obviously the other 26% weren't all afk, they might have just been checking the map, getting ready to launch, etc.  We can't know who was actually afk and who wasn't but I think your 50% number is obviously an exaggeration.

I just don't think it's a big problem, not one that warrants any changes.

[waystin2]

My understanding is that ENY is based on total in country.  I’d be interested in understanding why you would not want CAPS to be calculated accurately.  CAPS  are currently based on total number of people in an arena, even if many of the  people are persistently AFK.  That inaccurate calculation could  block others from being able to join their squad and creates problems with ENY accuracy.

Hello Traveler,
The arena cap and ENY are two separate issues.  So are we talking about arena caps, ENY, or both?  The ENY I feel should be calculated by those inflight (IMHO).  If you are not in flight, then you are not in the fight.  So your lack of presence in the game should not be factored into the ENY calculation.  The arena caps as I understand are there for the health of the ACES High community.  I understand why they are imposed, and I agree with them.  So to sum it up: players go AFK for short, medium and long times.  This will affect the ENY and arena caps.  I do not see HTC changing this.  I understand your frustration, but all of your frustrations can be bypassed by changes in your gaming behavior, not a change to system that works well for all of us.
 

Way

[Traveler]

Hello Traveler,
The arena cap and ENY are two separate issues.  So are we talking about arena caps, ENY, or both?  The ENY I feel should be calculated by those inflight (IMHO). 

They are two separate issues relate by players that are in a persistent state of being AFK.
The ENY and CAP calculations are based on total numbers in the arena.  ENY is based on total number not just in flight.  The calculations are skewed by the number of players that are AFK.

The arena caps as I understand are there for the health of the ACES High community.  I understand why they are imposed, and I agree with them. 

I agree that the community should be healthy.  I just wonder why there is no concern about community health on Titanic Tuesday.  But the issue here is not CAPs  it’s the CAP calculation that is skewed by the players that are in a persistent state of AFK.

So to sum it up: players go AFK for short, medium and long times.  This will affect the ENY and arena caps.  I do not see HTC changing this.  I understand your frustration, but all of your frustrations can be bypassed by changes in your gaming behavior, not a change to system that works well for all of us.
 

Way

I am only faced with frustration on my squad night, however,  I play for fun on No CAP Tuesday evening, CAPS are not an issue and a lot of fun. 

[Lusche]

They are two separate issues relate by players that are in a persistent state of being AFK.
The ENY and CAP calculations are based on total numbers in the arena.  ENY is based on total number not just in flight.  The calculations are skewed by the number of players that are AFK.

In regards to ENY calculation, not much. Usually the percentage of people not inflight is pretty much the same for all countries, the only exception being when ENY is approaching 25-30, and many players just refuse tot take off in a ENY 30 ride - but in this case the tower sitters are a resutl of ENY, not the reason for it.

And keep in mind, only a small fraction of the 30-40% sitting in tower at any given moment are AFK for hours. Most are just looking for where to go next, waiting for the mission, or are fetching another cup of coffee.

[Traveler]

Rarely do I have to wait more than 5 minutes to be able to join my squad in the right arena.  I just logged on and caps on Orange were at 105/100.  Started the clock, took 3 minutes before I was able to log in.  If I wanted instant action I could have jumped in blue, but if I did want to fly with guys in Orange, I had to put myself through 3 agonizing minutes of patience.  

I want to stress that CAPS are not the issue of this Wish.  I’m happy that you were able to get into the arena you wanted on a weekday afternoon and it only took three minutes.   I wonder how it long it would hav e take if it was what I usually see, 150/100  and 30/150.  My wish is that the Calculations for CAPS and ENY be accurate and that currently the calculations are skewed by players that are in a persistent state of AFK.  

Caps can be an annoyance when you get on, but I think it's been made very clear that they are here for a reason, and they're not leaving.

What hasn’t been made clear is why the reason the CAPS are here is not present on Titanic Tuesday.  But again it’s not about CAPS and I wish you would remain on subject.  The purpose of this wish is to remove player from an arena that are in a persistent state of AFK.  The players that go to bed, to work and return some 14 to 18 hours later.   Or even return days later.  These players affect the calculation of ENY and CAP.
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Also, checked the people on.  74% were in-flight at the time I checked.  Obviously the other 26% weren't all afk, they might have just been checking the map, getting ready to launch, etc.  We can't know who was actually afk and who wasn't but I think your 50% number is obviously an exaggeration.

I just don't think it's a big problem, not one that warrants any changes.

I think many online games, including HiTech Creations have the ability to determine if there are long periods of none movement with a player in a game and my wish is to remove those players from the arena that are in a persistent stats of AFK.  

I agree this is not a big problem.   It’s just a wish to correct a calculation within the game is governs our play and determines the ride.  

[Traveler]

In regards to ENY calculation, not much. Usually the percentage of people not inflight is pretty much the same for all countries, the only exception being when ENY is approaching 25-30, and many players just refuse tot take off in a ENY 30 ride - but in this case the tower sitters are a resutl of ENY, not the reason for it.

And keep in mind, only a small fraction of the 30-40% sitting in tower at any given moment are AFK for hours. Most are just looking for where to go next, waiting for the mission, or are fetching another cup of coffee.

Just to be clear, the ENY calculation is based on total numbers in the country, not just in flight.  So all AFK are counted and used in the calculation.  Any persistent AFK , people that are at work, sleeping , out mowing the lawn or painting the house, are being included in the ENY calculation.  My wish is that the population that is persistent be removed from the arena. 

I’m not sure how you determine that  in the example that you provide, of the 40% that are AFK, how you determine which is a persistent AFK as to just someone waiting for a mission to start. 

I have only stated since the beginning that persistent AFK affects both the ENY and the CAP calculation.

[Lusche]

Just to be clear, the ENY calculation is based on total numbers in the country, not just in flight.  So all AFK are counted and used in the calculation.  Any persistent AFK , people that are at work, sleeping , out mowing the lawn or painting the house, are being included in the ENY calculation.  

I know that and I didn't say otherwise.

I’m not sure how you determine that  in the example that you provide, of the 40% that are AFK, how you determine which is a persistent AFK as to just someone waiting for a mission to start. 

I have watched the numbers very closely for a long time, even going so far as to jumping around in my country and checking where everyone is. Yes, I DO have too much time on my hands

[Jayhawk]

It is about cap though, why else would you want a 'correct' cap calculation, because you don't like not being able to get into an arena.  Let's say that what you want is implemented, and now those handful of players who are on continuous afk are kicked off.  Is there going to be any noticeable effect?  I doubt it, those spots will be quickly filled and we will still be looking at 105/100.  Are you happier that you can't get into an arena with a correct calculation than you would be if you can't get into an arena with an incorrect calculation?

ENY effect from afk players would be tiny, because there are people going afk on all sides, that's what Lusche is saying.  So yes they are taken into consideration, but since they are probably a similar number across countries, eny is only minutely effected and only when afk players are different.

[Lusche]

I have only stated since the beginning that persistent AFK affects both the ENY and the CAP calculation.

If AFK numbers are usually pretty much the same for all countries. If you remove those by either kicking them or not including them for ENY calculation, the general ratio between the countries would still be about the same

[Traveler]

If AFK numbers are usually pretty much the same for all countries. If you remove those by either kicking them or not including them for ENY calculation, the general ratio between the countries would still be about the same

only if the persistent AFK is the same for all countries.  I don't happen to believe that they are exactly the same .    IF you remove those persistent AFK the resulting calculations will be more accurate.

[Jayhawk]

only if the persistent AFK is the same for all countries.  I don't happen to believe that they are exactly the same .    IF you remove those persistent AFK the resulting calculations will be more accurate.

No they probably aren't exactly the same, but unless they are extremely lopsided, they won't have a significant effect.

[Traveler]

It is about cap though, why else would you want a 'correct' cap calculation, because you don't like not being able to get into an arena.  Let's say that what you want is implemented, and now those handful of players who are on continuous afk are kicked off.  Is there going to be any noticeable effect?

Yes, the effect will be a more accurate ENY and CAP calculation.

I doubt it, those spots will be quickly filled and we will still be looking at 105/100.  Are you happier that you can't get into an arena with a correct calculation than you would be if you can't get into an arena with an incorrect calculation?
 

Yes, my wish is that the calculation be as correct as it can be made and not skewed by the persistent AFK.

ENY effect from afk players would be tiny, because there are people going afk on all sides, that's what Lusche is saying.  So yes they are taken into consideration, but since they are probably a similar number across countries, eny is only minutely effected and only when afk players are different.

You do not have the facts to determine how many are on any one side.  The calculation will be more accurate.  Isn’t that the way it should be.  The ENY will be more accurate.  The number of persistent AFK is not the same on all sides.  You have no way to know.  Probably is not good enough.   Similar number is not the exact same number.  

Tell me, is it best for  a calculation to be minutely effected or not effected?

Persistent AFK affects two numbers and should not.

[Traveler]

I have watched the numbers very closely for a long time, even going so far as to jumping around in my country and checking where everyone is. Yes, I DO have too much time on my hands

I’m sure that you came away with an impression from your research efforts, but the reality is that it would take several months of dedicated effort just to gather the necessary  data.  Perhaps HiTech has a automatic solution that gathers the type of stats need to do a realistic data analysis to determine or identify a player that is in a persistent AFK state. 

At one time didn’t Aces High charge by the hour or was it always a monthly subscription?

[Jayhawk]

Statistically speaking, the number of people who are afk for long periods of time is going to be nearly identical between countries.  Number advantages are constantly changing, over the course of half an hour any advantage can quickly shift.  That applies to who has any afk "sleepers" as well, so one minute bish have 2 sleepers and rook have 3, the next minute bish have 2 and rooks have 1.  I would guess that most of the time, those fluctuations have no effect on game play because first a country has to gain a significant enough number advantage for ENY to even matter.

[Dichotomy]

Traveler you're losing ground and

On initial inspection it sounded like a good idea to me.  I still think staying online when you have no intention of playing is lame but people do have the right to burn the bandwith they are paying for *shrug*.  My position changed upon seeing this

This has come up before and Hitech has already said it will never happen.

Chalenge, from what I know of him, isn't in the habit of talking out his posterior and saying Hitech said something he did not say on his boards would, quite possibly, be the dumbest thing I've ever see happen on line.
Just take it on faith man.  I know it's a pain not being able to get into the arena you want to but it isn't going to change apparently. 

Now join me in my wishlist post to get a Foo Fighter.  That would sooooo rock.