Avoid the HO

[The Fugitive]

This can come from any angle. It's just easier to draw a plane from the top 

[FireDrgn]

Yes , but it comes down to how good at minimizing the front quarter shot  you are tho.

[Dawger]

Yes , but it comes down to how good at minimizing the front quarter shot  you are tho.

If the other guy is getting a guns solution you are participating in the HO, not avoiding it. Most likely you are thinking you might get a shot and then deciding against it way too late.

This is the root of 99% of all the complaints about HO. Two guys try to HO. One gets a kill and the other complains. If you stop trying for a guns solution at every pass you will begin to avoid most front quarter snapshots. It is that simple.

Beat them by flying the airplane and use the guns to let them know they lost.



Fly with the guns empty and see how much your style changes. 

[Mongoose]

My problem is I misread the other plane.  I am trying to get on his six, and realize too late he is not turning the way I thought he was, and I am on his twelve.  I need to get a better video card.

[humble]

When you actually look at what the guys who are generally recognized as killing machines do you'll see that far from "avoiding" the HO they go out of their way to invite any and all types of attack. What they do is work at presenting them selfs in such away that they appear to be a much better target then they are. The issue isn't one of just "flying better" but actually proactively manipulating the other guy into flying worse. Once you reach a stage that your comfortable being your own bait then your getting ready for prime time....

[mtnman]

When you actually look at what the guys who are generally recognized as killing machines do you'll see that far from "avoiding" the HO they go out of their way to invite any and all types of attack. What they do is work at presenting them selfs in such away that they appear to be a much better target then they are. The issue isn't one of just "flying better" but actually proactively manipulating the other guy into flying worse. Once you reach a stage that your comfortable being your own bait then your getting ready for prime time....

In essence, you're able to make the other guy predictable by being your own bait.  If I turn like so, he'll attack me either like this, or this...  When he does, I'll do this...

It's pretty amazing just how manipulative you can be...

Even "drawing" someone into attempting an HO isn't too tough, since so many are so willing anyway.  Of course, if you're ready for them to try it, and you present a tempting but practically impossible target to hit, you're also ready for the stage right after they attempt the shot.  And again, it isn't hard to predict where they'll be, and what they'll be doing, since in essence they were "put" there.

[pervert]

You can avoid a HO as long as you have the E to manveour, you can get in situations were your slow and attempting to avoid the HO will simply leave your opponent a gift of a shot.

[CAP1]

You can avoid a HO as long as you have the E to manveour, you can get in situations were your slow and attempting to avoid the HO will simply leave your opponent a gift of a shot.

do you realize how many pile-its out there are good at slipping with rudder, or pushing the nose down hard for that quick shot when you go to avoid the ho?
 i fought against a guy last night.....5 passes, 5 ho attempts......thankfully i managed to dodge every one as he was in a p47-d11.......but that seemed to be all he had.

 a little later, he came at me..i saw him from 6k out, my 7 hi,.....i flew straight n level, letting him think i didn't see him.....when i thought he had guns on me, i turned hard into blackout. he tried to shoot, made one turn, and kept going. same guy;.

[Muzzy]

Ummm....I have a confession to make. 

Last night in the MA  I HO'ed a poor defenseless Brewster. 

Twice. 

With a C-Hog. 

I feel so dirty. 

-Muzzy

[STXAce8]

The only time I ho is if i'm in a mossie or 110 qnd some one tries to ho me. If they're dumb enogh to ho 2 30mm and 2x 20mm, or 4 hispanos and 4 30cals, it's alright to shoot back. I was once a hoer, but with a bit of time you can break the habbit!   

[Muzzy]

Well he *was* coming straight at me, and he *did* fire first...at least I think he did, and it was kind of a vulch situation.  Plus, he got my engine oil before he went down, but I managed to land on the CV with a canopy full of Quaker State. 

I did manage to avoid HO's all night except once. 

I just kinda feel a bit guilty about slicing a Brewster into tin foil with 4 x Hispano Cannons. 

-Muzzy

[CAP1]

I'VE mistaken the heading of some aircraft, and ho'd accidentially......sat. night being a prime example. i was dropping from alt onto a 110, thought he was going for ack.....just as he came into guns range, i realized he was comin straight at me. i held fire, and lifted the nose slightly to avoid the collision. he held fire too, and the fight was on....was a fun one too.

[Muzzy]

The only time I ho is if i'm in a mossie or 110 qnd some one tries to ho me. If they're dumb enogh to ho 2 30mm and 2x 20mm, or 4 hispanos and 4 30cals, it's alright to shoot back. I was once a hoer, but with a bit of time you can break the habbit!   

Is there a rehab program?

[Nemisis]

Can you?

I find a hard break at D800 usually screws them up. Oh sure, you may take a few pings as he changes to a crossing shot, but unless he has 30mm's you usually get away with a scratch at most.

Also, try a slow roll with full opposite rudder applyed. Seems many have trouble with that.

[Ack-Ack]

Can you?

Yes.


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