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Offline Imowface

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Re: P-61B black widow
« Reply #45 on: August 25, 2010, 01:45:44 AM »
No, but the C-47 isn't really a combat aircraft, and it didn't fly most of its sorties at night. This seems like you took the worst example you could think of that would still hold any water, and tried to shoot down my argument with it.

I think that having a bomber that flew mostly at night (hypotheticly of course, not asking for one) would weaken the argment "no night in the MA, so there is no place for this aircraft here" against a heavy fighter that flew mostly at night. Mostly because that would mean HTC didn't deem a lack of night being sufficent reason for exclusion.


There seems to be no real reason past it flying mostly at night that makes people object to this, which I don't understand. Anyone care to explain?

aw crap now you did it, B-29s flew at night so now we cant have one for me to ahem, shoot down with the new Raiden we are getting added next (thanks HiTech :) )
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Re: P-61B black widow
« Reply #46 on: August 25, 2010, 02:16:10 AM »
No, but the C-47 isn't really a combat aircraft, and it didn't fly most of its sorties at night. This seems like you took the worst example you could think of that would still hold any water, and tried to shoot down my argument with it.

C-47s flew 24 hours a day, 7 days a week and probably flew as many night missions as they flew day missions.  In fact, C-47s often flew in weather that would have grounded combat aircraft because of the need for supplies.

I didn't try to shoot down your argument, I succeeded in spades.  Using the Lancaster as a reason why we should have night fighters as an argument, is well, dumb.  Which is why I used the C-47 as an example.  Though I still suspect that you won't get the point as it flew over your head doing 500mph.

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I think that having a bomber that flew mostly at night (hypotheticly of course, not asking for one) would weaken the argment "no night in the MA, so there is no place for this aircraft here" against a heavy fighter that flew mostly at night. Mostly because that would mean HTC didn't deem a lack of night being sufficent reason for exclusion.

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There seems to be no real reason past it flying mostly at night that makes people object to this, which I don't understand. Anyone care to explain?

More often than not, these wishes for night fighters stem out of the want for some uber cannon equipped plane and nothing else, the wish for the F6F-5N is a perfect example.

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Re: P-61B black widow
« Reply #47 on: August 25, 2010, 04:42:15 AM »


More often than not, these wishes for night fighters stem out of the want for some uber cannon equipped plane and nothing else, the wish for the F6F-5N is a perfect example.

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ooh! can we get some of those?

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Re: P-61B black widow
« Reply #48 on: August 25, 2010, 03:57:15 PM »
The bomber itself isn't what weakens the argument. What would weaken the argument is that HTC wouldn't have deemed lack of night a sufficent reason for exclusion, as I said before.

I'm not using it as a reason for getting the P-61, I'm saying that (had it flown a large majority of its sorties at night), it would mean HTC didn't think that was enough to exclude it from the game.
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Re: P-61B black widow
« Reply #49 on: August 25, 2010, 10:23:15 PM »
Didn't see a good pic. I Think it was sharp lookin'.  :salute

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Re: P-61B black widow
« Reply #50 on: August 25, 2010, 10:45:06 PM »
The bomber itself isn't what weakens the argument. What would weaken the argument is that HTC wouldn't have deemed lack of night a sufficent reason for exclusion, as I said before.

I'm not using it as a reason for getting the P-61, I'm saying that (had it flown a large majority of its sorties at night), it would mean HTC didn't think that was enough to exclude it from the game.

I dont know what all this talk of exclusion is? did HT or anyone from HTC ever say that the P61 wont be added?
all this talk of it makes it seem like you guys think HT has barred the P61 from the game  :bolt:
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Re: P-61B black widow
« Reply #51 on: August 25, 2010, 10:56:12 PM »
No, its just hypothetical. I'm saying that if one of our planes flew a large majority of its sorties at night, it would show that HTC did not think lack of night in the MA's a sufficent reason for excluding a plane all on its own.
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Re: P-61B black widow
« Reply #52 on: August 26, 2010, 12:54:18 AM »

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Re: P-61B black widow
« Reply #53 on: August 26, 2010, 12:54:53 AM »
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Re: P-61B black widow
« Reply #54 on: August 26, 2010, 09:21:45 AM »
+1 to the P-61

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Re: P-61B black widow
« Reply #55 on: August 26, 2010, 09:55:26 AM »
I would love to see the P-61 but I think there are other aircraft that should be added ( He-111, Ju-52, and I hardly even fly German aircraft).As far as the whole bomber issue goes, most bomber missions were switched to the night because of high losses that were incurred during the day.
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Re: P-61B black widow
« Reply #56 on: August 26, 2010, 10:57:38 PM »
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Not desert camo, that would be ODG, followed up by some pictures of the 61C from WPAFB.  IIRC, very very few 61s flew in the ETO, and the African theater was wraped up by the time the 61s saw service.  Most 61s operated in the PTO. Either way +1 for a 61A/B
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Re: P-61B black widow
« Reply #57 on: August 27, 2010, 09:55:53 AM »
Cool plane. Looks like fun.  :aok
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Re: P-61B black widow
« Reply #58 on: August 29, 2010, 12:28:17 AM »
God, doesnt look like the prop as any ground clearance at all.
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