DA and F3 mode

[Changeup]

Sorry, duplicate

[wil3ur]

Maybe, but it is irrelevant.  This thread is not about how good some maybe in calculating a shot or how bad I may be avoiding it.  It is about F3 mode in a place called the dueling arena.   Do you think it adds anything to the game?  I think it does not.  Why not turn on the calculating sights also and maybe some power ups in the air to fi my plane when I get shot up?

It gives the other guy an unfair advantage.  Not only assisting with shots, but being able to locate you when you are hiding under his plane.

I do just fine in the DA without using F3 mode...  I'm not talking crap, I just think that you are not giving people enough credit.  There most definately are people that game the game, both in the DA and the MA.  The trick is to kill them regardless...

I'm not claiming to be a great pilot, I'm most definately average.  When it comes to getting mad at lagwarps, or F3, or stick stirring or cutting your engine, or any other of the hundreds of things kids (and adult kids) do to gain an advantage what you MUST do is blow them up, then talk smack on 200.  This is the way of things...

I wouldn't suggest using target tracking, but you may give it a shot so you get used to looking at what the other plane is doing while you're flying.  Knowing where and what they're doing should dictate what you're doing.  If your constantly getting shot down by "impossible" shots, you're doing something wrong, its that simple.

Simple solution is roll 90 degrees and pull through your turn, it'll mess up your shot...  or try chopping your throttle and trimming up and slipping on their 6, at the very least, you may force a scissor.  Or kick your rudder as you pass, or drop flaps (depending on speed and plane)...  there are a TON of things you can do to spoil a shot, and all the F3 in the world will not help them get it back.

Take control of the fight and let the gamers game.

[Changeup]

If your constantly getting shot down by "impossible" shots, you're doing something wrong, its that simple.

Not so much...the impossible shots or very difficult ones are one aspect....under the nose is the real asset that F3 provides.  You can slip away in most cases under the nose in the MA or at the very least avoid shots...you have very little chance to manuever if they are flying F3....I flew F3 every day for quite a while.  It is completely different without it.  Anyone that says otherwise is not telling the truth because it isn't just the marksmanship, its also the visibility...geezus you can see vertically and horizontally 180 degrees forward and aft when you look backwards.  When you have that field of view and you can fly, the bogey isn't getting away very often.

Changeup

[wil3ur]

*shrug*  I guess I'm alone in my opinion then.  Yes, it gives an advantage...  but that's the history of aerial warfare... overcoming an advantage.  Look at the North Vietnamese Airforce in the early days of the conflict.  They had a less technological plane (w/ less visiblity) as far as radar and BVR goes, yet they were able to fly their planes to their strengths and cause a HUGE hurting to allied airforces.  It wasn't until we adapted to their tactics that we began to pull ahead in K/D.

Yes, F3 gives an immense advantage, but its no different than flying a mig17 up against an F4-Phantom.  Figure out ways to negate his advantage, or turn it against him and make that advantage yours.  If they are that reliant upon it, there is very little wiggle room for them to function when out of their comfort zone.

It's still using a game feature to compensate for lack of skill, plain and simple...  I don't see any problem in using it, especially when someone starts using it as a crutch.  It's like the 234 pilot that is dependant on RATO units to escape a fight.  It may work once, but they're screwed after that, and probably shoulda learned hwo to fly the thing, and not just game it?

Am I honestly alone in thinking this?

[justIN]

I myself flew mainly DA for the first year or so and also flew F3,Till I decided to pull up my big boy shorts and go where it was all equal terms other then better skill lol.
But I can say the top ten in the DA only fly F3 and they will tell you this,but whats funny is out of the ten I have 1v1 with there way witch ended 50/50 win/loss but then I asked for no F3 boy the changes 9/10 or 8/10 only do to hitting ground or trees my own fault.And I can say when I flew F3 I could kill 1000 or more out and kill 90% of the time in any turn,dive whatever all I needed to do is watch where my tracers where and the adjust so F3 does give a upper hand immensely.

[dedalos]

I do just fine in the DA without using F3 mode...  I'm not talking crap, I just think that you are not giving people enough credit.  There most definately are people that game the game, both in the DA and the MA.  The trick is to kill them regardless...

I'm not claiming to be a great pilot, I'm most definately average.  When it comes to getting mad at lagwarps, or F3, or stick stirring or cutting your engine, or any other of the hundreds of things kids (and adult kids) do to gain an advantage what you MUST do is blow them up, then talk smack on 200.  This is the way of things...

I wouldn't suggest using target tracking, but you may give it a shot so you get used to looking at what the other plane is doing while you're flying.  Knowing where and what they're doing should dictate what you're doing.  If your constantly getting shot down by "impossible" shots, you're doing something wrong, its that simple.

Simple solution is roll 90 degrees and pull through your turn, it'll mess up your shot...  or try chopping your throttle and trimming up and slipping on their 6, at the very least, you may force a scissor.  Or kick your rudder as you pass, or drop flaps (depending on speed and plane)...  there are a TON of things you can do to spoil a shot, and all the F3 in the world will not help them get it back.

Take control of the fight and let the gamers game.

Thank you, I will follow your advice on flying and trying to get a kill and not get shot down repeatedly.  However, you still did not answer the simple question.  Do you think it adds to the game in an arena called the Dueling Arena, or not?

[dedalos]

he advised me strenuously NOT to go to the DA or the MA until I got used to the flying because it is humiliating to get shot down repeatedly...

Change, if getting shot down repeatedly was humiliating, I would have quit the game a looooooooon loooooong time ago.  Then again, this may be why we never see him in the DA 

[CAP1]

Thank you, I will follow your advice on flying and trying to get a kill and not get shot down repeatedly.  However, you still did not answer the simple question.  Do you think it adds to the game in an arena called the Dueling Arena, or not?

  no. for dueling, there should be no f3 mode.

[R 105]

You know someone is using F-3 when they make fantastic deflection shots on you. If you fly MA at all you learn how to turn under an opponents shot.
Then you go to the DA and some numbers guy shoots you with a perfect deflection shot that even a guy like Agent360 would miss. Then claim innocents if confronted on 200 about F3 mode. These are the same bunch who are trying to kill uppers on the runway there.

For me it makes the DA worthless for improving my flying skills, what little I have. I see no use for F-3 in the DA. Maybe HT has another reason for it being in use in the DA we are missing. I guess if cheap kills and seeing you name in lights is all you want then the DA and F-3 mode is your ticket.

[wil3ur]

To answer your question...  yes, I believe the DA should have F3, god mode, and all of that good stuff...  that or they should make it just like the MA, take away the free perk rides, move the bases back to 25miles + distance and 0FT above sea level, throw a few enemy CV's in the middle of the lake so there's some nice puffy ack and noobs on guns to deal with when you shoot them down and they get mad and need quick revenge, up the burn rate to match the MA so you have to take more fuel and fly heavy (OH NOES NO SPIXTEEN W/ 25% FUEL?!?!), and allow base capture so we can kick those stinking rooks off the lake and 'ruin' it for everyone!

The DA is setup as it is because there is a select group of people that cannot play the game in the MA.  It takes more time, more thought, and more skill.

Why get mad about it and rant?  It's the same as people yelling about Spixteens in the MA being easy mode and any oneday noob can bring one it and kill you in it... whaaaa whaaaaa whaaaaa.

My answer is the same as it has been:  Deal with it, adapt to it, or continue to die screaming.

[dedalos]

To answer your question...  yes, I believe the DA should have F3, god mode, and all of that good stuff...  that or they should make it just like the MA, take away the free perk rides, move the bases back to 25miles + distance and 0FT above sea level, throw a few enemy CV's in the middle of the lake so there's some nice puffy ack and noobs on guns to deal with when you shoot them down and they get mad and need quick revenge, up the burn rate to match the MA so you have to take more fuel and fly heavy (OH NOES NO SPIXTEEN W/ 25% FUEL?!?!), and allow base capture so we can kick those stinking rooks off the lake and 'ruin' it for everyone!

The DA is setup as it is because there is a select group of people that cannot play the game in the MA.  It takes more time, more thought, and more skill.

Why get mad about it and rant?  It's the same as people yelling about Spixteens in the MA being easy mode and any oneday noob can bring one it and kill you in it... whaaaa whaaaaa whaaaaa.

My answer is the same as it has been:  Deal with it, adapt to it, or continue to die screaming.

Cool, and the reason you think it should stay?  What does it add to the DA?

It may be harder for me to play in the MA but until I have the skills to join you guys there, I'll be screaming whaaaa whaaaa whaaa every time I get killed in the DA or the MA by the aces like you. DO you think you could deal or adapt to it being off?    I am willing to bet some money that on or off, DA or MA, all we would see from you is a few seconds of flopping like a fish and then a smart skillful run to the nearest ack 

[TnDep]

I've never gotten F3 mode is in the DA I guess to get more of a video game feel for some and I know some good sticks that strictly fly the DA and in F3 mode all the time and want fly MA because they can't fly external. 

Personally I don't care it's there if someone wants to fly that way and you can fly F1 if you want but dueling tournaments being able to use f3 for snap shots I don't like, be nice to make all the other fields besides a1,a2,a3 to not have f3 that's just me

[WWM]

hiding under his plane.

I wondered where you went

[CDR1]

My answer to the question is NO, F3 mode is a game changer. When I started here I had to adapt to the absense of G forces. ( I have many hours actual flying time). The stick stirring that many use would render you unconious in seconds. I have spent a lot of time learning to evade as well as saddle up, if the rules suddenly change and turning under my opponent's nose is no longer possible I am not interested in continuing. Before anyone starts typing " well don't go to the DA then" I don't visit the DA. I spend most of my time in MW because the skill level and game attitude is in my opinion higher than other arenas. My experiances has been if you want to get better fight better opponents. Frankly I would leave the game if F3 was available in MA's, I am pretty sure many IL2 drivers use it anyway.

[Lazerr]

Why is there so much discussion about this? lol

a) training arena is training arena, dueling arena is the dueling arena. (Furball Lake is a furballing feature, in a arena designed for dueling.)
b) Why would you give anyone a chance to game f3 view, when most of the time, you go to DA for a fair fight, using the same settings as used in the main arena.
c)This isnt a time consuming setting change, it would take admin about 30 seconds to log on, and change it.
d)If you dont care, then why comment?
e)Learn to make the shot from your cockpit, if you need help doing so, ask delirium.

Any external view should be allowed only in offline mode, or the training arena.  There isnt a reason to have it enabled.  If you want to see your training wheels on your spit16 from the outside, go offline and do it.