DA and F3 mode

[SEraider]

Get rid of it F3.  You need external for film and TA.  IMHO.

I think Dedalos is missing the whole point.  I think what the real issue is how to stop pancaking? 

Disclaimer: Inside joke

[dedalos]

I need F3 mode so can see the ground coming up from under me, just before I pancake 

Fixed

[Qrsu]

It does heighten the experience to watch oneself pancake in F3 mode...

[TnDep]

Why is there so much discussion about this? lol

a) training arena is training arena, dueling arena is the dueling arena. (Furball Lake is a furballing feature, in a arena designed for dueling.)
b) Why would you give anyone a chance to game f3 view, when most of the time, you go to DA for a fair fight, using the same settings as used in the main arena.
c)This isnt a time consuming setting change, it would take admin about 30 seconds to log on, and change it.
d)If you dont care, then why comment?
e)Learn to make the shot from your cockpit, if you need help doing so, ask delirium.

Any external view should be allowed only in offline mode, or the training arena.  There isnt a reason to have it enabled.  If you want to see your training wheels on your spit16 from the outside, go offline and do it.

 

[Changeup]

Change, if getting shot down repeatedly was humiliating, I would have quit the game a looooooooon loooooong time ago.  Then again, this may be why we never see him in the DA 

Understood...he was doing his best to protect a noob....but he also understood that Furball lake is a massacre waiting to happen especially to a noob.

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[Twizzty]

Why is there so much discussion about this? lol

a) training arena is training arena, dueling arena is the dueling arena. (Furball Lake is a furballing feature, in a arena designed for dueling.)
b) Why would you give anyone a chance to game f3 view, when most of the time, you go to DA for a fair fight, using the same settings as used in the main arena.
c)This isnt a time consuming setting change, it would take admin about 30 seconds to log on, and change it.
d)If you dont care, then why comment?
e)Learn to make the shot from your cockpit, if you need help doing so, ask delirium.

Any external view should be allowed only in offline mode, or the training arena.  There isnt a reason to have it enabled.  If you want to see your training wheels on your spit16 from the outside, go offline and do it.

+1

[Changeup]

Why is there so much discussion about this? lol

a) training arena is training arena, dueling arena is the dueling arena. (Furball Lake is a furballing feature, in a arena designed for dueling.)
b) Why would you give anyone a chance to game f3 view, when most of the time, you go to DA for a fair fight, using the same settings as used in the main arena.
c)This isnt a time consuming setting change, it would take admin about 30 seconds to log on, and change it.
d)If you dont care, then why comment?
e)Learn to make the shot from your cockpit, if you need help doing so, ask delirium.

Any external view should be allowed only in offline mode, or the training arena.  There isnt a reason to have it enabled.  If you want to see your training wheels on your spit16 from the outside, go offline and do it.

+3

[Ghastly]

Can't you see what views were used from film?  So if you are dueling someone, and he or she refuses to trade films with you - or the film shows that external views were used, then.... right?

And other than for dueling, is there anyone who cares?

<S>

[dedalos]

Can't you see what views were used from film?  So if you are dueling someone, and he or she refuses to trade films with you - or the film shows that external views were used, then.... right?

And other than for dueling, is there anyone who cares?

<S>

  that is the point.  It is the Dueling Arena 

[SEraider]

If you want external views, film it and watch external view...   

[Changeup]

Can't you see what views were used from film?  So if you are dueling someone, and he or she refuses to trade films with you - or the film shows that external views were used, then.... right?

And other than for dueling, is there anyone who cares?

<S>

That is not my understanding.  I believe you get external views regardless of whether you are flying using external viewing.  That is how a lot of the good video guys make those cool AH videos that are posted on youtube.  Why does that matter anyway?  You can't do anything about it when it counts...during the fight

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[hlbly]

Who is crying?


The main factor is that the DA is the only place we can go to settle scores and have fair competitions. That in itself should be a good reason to limit the f3 view. It's crazy, the one palce we can go to have a pure 1on1 fight and we can't now even be sure who is 'gaming the game' or not.

The SDL compete in the DA, the Tri-Annual Dueling league competes in there.....these are events that would hopefully not attract someone who wont play fair, but still the fact remains that F3 is available.


PS: to those who say it makes no difference, try fighting in a 109k4 and drawing a high-G lead for a 400yrd shot from inside the cockpit. Or try fighting in anything and geussing where they will pop up from under your nose during your high scissor, instead of tracking them all the way from externals. It makes no difference to the furballing but for high level dueling, it is a big factor.

*shrug*

Got to disagree here bro it makes a huge difference in furballing as well . In the DA when I first started , I used it alot . Never for shooting but for SA . I often wondered why the constant calls to watch this or watch that . Jesus everyone can see it ! It is a huge problem when you try to transition to MA . Suddenly my SA was for crap to put it bluntly . I had to relearn alot . Dedalos it adds nothing to the game imho in the DA . It makes it harder to transition to the MA . I have one question though . One of the things that makes me scratch my head is this . In AW you could remove all of the cockpit art except the front view . Now my recollection could be wrong , I had a pretty bad accident shortly after . In open beta Hitech was in the arena alot and one of the questions I heard was "why can't you remove the artwork in the various views ?" I believe HT answered that feature is one of the things that makes AW so nintendo the visibility and blind spots were part of the trade off when selecting different aircraft . " He then went on to say AH would never offer a RR arena either . Now don't cut me to bits if I have this wrong . Shortly after this I was in a coma ,then dealt with  the joys of relearning how to walk ,talk ,tie my shoes, etc, etc . Now isn't it contradictory<on the surface at least> to not be able to remove the artwork yet be able to use F3 mode ? Of course my memory could be all wrong ,there also could be a very valid but unstated reason why HT has decided to have it this way . I have found HTC doesn't always answer questions about why things are the way they are in this game .

[mechanic]

I only stated that about furballs because many people have used the argument that it makes no difference in past threads on this subject.

Great post, I would love to hear a revised answer from ht on this one.

[Ex-jazz]

The DA external views were a big WTF?! for me.
 

Bring the next gen h2h for the subscribers. I could pay ~15$ easily for it.

I would host only a limited plane set, ammo, fuel, icon & view room only. Been there & done that.





 

[Changeup]

The DA external views were a big WTF?! for me.
 

Bring the next gen h2h for the subscribers. I could pay ~15$ easily for it.

I would host only a limited plane set, ammo, fuel, icon & view room only. Been there & done that.

You've got that already in the A v A arena.  Its a time-period arena for instance now, its a desert early war arena....no enemy icons are visible...only the a/c when it comes into view.  Very very nicely done arena and it makes BnZing a bit more difficult because you can't tell distance as well without icon range.  Lots of fun

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