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Re: Japanese Profiles.
« Reply #45 on: September 04, 2015, 10:07:24 AM »
Actually this is legit. Read the first profile on the decal sheet it has the history.
Did it see combat like this though?

" This aircraft was flown by 1st Lt. Shuho Yamana, Army Air ferry Command, 2nd Hikotai in 1944. He picked it up in Nakajima's Ota factory and flew it to Saigon."

http://www.j-aircraft.org/smf/index.php?topic=15446.0

http://www.aviationofjapan.com/2015_03_01_archive.html


D'oh, I totally misread that blotchy scan to say "Ohio AB" ROFL   :rofl I thought it was a US captured airframe! Though, yes. I agree that transport markings are often not the final actual-unit markings that an airframe flies into combat with.

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Re: Japanese Profiles.
« Reply #46 on: September 04, 2015, 10:54:16 AM »
25th Sentai.









72nd Sentai.







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Re: Japanese Profiles.
« Reply #47 on: September 04, 2015, 11:03:41 AM »
That crackle type pattern is interesting to see, but now we get into a problem area with those photos. Where was it? When was it? What was this airframe doing?

For example, find any photo of a 4x20mm armed Ki-84, and dollars to donuts they're sitting in disarray on a storage lot at the end of the war and were never used in combat.

Looking at the picture you can see that it's a field full of tall grass -- doesn't look like one that has much people (or planes, or trucks, or wagons) moving around these planes. It's sitting next to twin engined planes and in the background are maybe A6Ms of some kind?

The Ki-84 is in such weathered disarray that the anti-glare is flaked off on the cowling nose, and even the meatballs -- which were often lovingly touched up and cared for -- are fading and flaking.

To me, that's not a combat airframe. At least not without a heck of a lot of more information. It looks to be in storage. Many airframes at the end of the war sat without parts, without fuel, without pilots. Some were stored for a potential invasion from the West, but never used. To me that photo screams "not in use" in most of the details it presents.
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Re: Japanese Profiles.
« Reply #48 on: September 04, 2015, 12:08:57 PM »
Good stuff, Lyric. Thanks for posting. I'll definitely be making that 25th Sentai bird.

Has anyone seen any actual photos of a non-bare metal 29th Sentai Ki 84? I've seen profiles of them with either blue or red swooshing arrows, but no actual pictures.
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Re: Japanese Profiles.
« Reply #49 on: September 04, 2015, 12:11:20 PM »
That crackle type pattern is interesting to see, but now we get into a problem area with those photos. Where was it? When was it? What was this airframe doing?

For example, find any photo of a 4x20mm armed Ki-84, and dollars to donuts they're sitting in disarray on a storage lot at the end of the war and were never used in combat.

Looking at the picture you can see that it's a field full of tall grass -- doesn't look like one that has much people (or planes, or trucks, or wagons) moving around these planes. It's sitting next to twin engined planes and in the background are maybe A6Ms of some kind?

The Ki-84 is in such weathered disarray that the anti-glare is flaked off on the cowling nose, and even the meatballs -- which were often lovingly touched up and cared for -- are fading and flaking.

To me, that's not a combat airframe. At least not without a heck of a lot of more information. It looks to be in storage. Many airframes at the end of the war sat without parts, without fuel, without pilots. Some were stored for a potential invasion from the West, but never used. To me that photo screams "not in use" in most of the details it presents.


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sorry Krusty but the 4 20's saw combat....and that has been proven I dont know how many times on these boards.



every Japanese plane towards the end of the war looked like it was painted 20 friggen years ago...they used crap paint and it flaked off very easily....

just like you said my Ki was a fantasy plane :rofl....you do not know everything and when you read something that you don't like you say it is wrong....

I was actually happy to see you back....but I see you have not changed at all...and it still Krusty knows everything and everyone else is wrong.


one think you are correct on...The Ki84 was escorts for the Kamikaze and not used for it.

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Re: Japanese Profiles.
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Re: Japanese Profiles.
« Reply #51 on: September 04, 2015, 12:19:41 PM »

Has anyone seen any actual photos of a non-bare metal 29th Sentai Ki 84? I've seen profiles of them with either blue or red swooshing arrows, but no actual pictures.

Yet to find a photo of any of these aircraft that I can see these markings.

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Re: Japanese Profiles.
« Reply #52 on: September 04, 2015, 12:29:22 PM »
Good stuff, Lyric. Thanks for posting. I'll definitely be making that 25th Sentai bird.

Has anyone seen any actual photos of a non-bare metal 29th Sentai Ki 84? I've seen profiles of them with either blue or red swooshing arrows, but no actual pictures.


just a quick search and I found this....not the 29th..but still a bare metal Ki...its from 73rd Sentai Tokorozawa




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durp I thought you were looking for bare metal birds...now I see you said NON bare metal.... :o
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Re: Japanese Profiles.
« Reply #53 on: September 04, 2015, 01:00:28 PM »
I specified the non-bare metal in reference to the 29th Sentai, because we already have one. We also have the one in the pic you posted. But there might be one out there that hasn't been done for AH yet that I would want to do.
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Re: Japanese Profiles.
« Reply #54 on: September 04, 2015, 01:09:57 PM »

sorry Krusty but the 4 20's saw combat....and that has been proven I dont know how many times on these boards.

Except... It hasn't. It's never been proven 4x20mm Ki-84s ever saw combat. Precious few were built at the very end of the production run when everything was falling apart, and it seems that almost all of those were moved for a possible invasion from Manchurian front...

But there's little evidence that they were ever used before the war ended. In fact, last time I did quite a bit of research on it, there was NO evidence they were ever used in combat. You can quite easily look at a photo of a Ki-84 and identify if it's got the 20mm cowling cannons based on the larger exhaust port cut into the side of the fuselage nose.

The only defense that's popped up to "prove" they saw service was a half-hearted "well... they MADE them, so they saw service!" which is observably and logically false. There are only a couple of decent photos showing the obviously different exhaust port configuration that the 20mm cowl guns used. They are inconclusive. The Ki-84-Ibs only started production at the end of the war. Production quality was so low that the people at the plants BUILDING the planes would feel sad seeing the work they just made crash into the trees on takeoff for the ferry flights. Something like 2/3 wouldn't make it out from the factory. Those that did had such low production quality that the engines wouldn't let them climb to altitude, and wouldn't even produce full throttle most times. A Ki-84-Ia from the beginning of the production run was actually the best performing and most reliable version around. They were the ones built with some semblence of quality control. Later, things were too desperate and the war was all but lost and landing on their shores.
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« Reply #55 on: September 04, 2015, 01:17:37 PM »
Except... It hasn't. It's never been proven 4x20mm Ki-84s ever saw combat. Precious few were built at the very end of the production run when everything was falling apart, and it seems that almost all of those were moved for a possible invasion from Manchurian front...

But there's little evidence that they were ever used before the war ended. In fact, last time I did quite a bit of research on it, there was NO evidence they were ever used in combat. You can quite easily look at a photo of a Ki-84 and identify if it's got the 20mm cowling cannons based on the larger exhaust port cut into the side of the fuselage nose.

The only defense that's popped up to "prove" they saw service was a half-hearted "well... they MADE them, so they saw service!" which is observably and logically false. There are only a couple of decent photos showing the obviously different exhaust port configuration that the 20mm cowl guns used. They are inconclusive. The Ki-84-Ibs only started production at the end of the war. Production quality was so low that the people at the plants BUILDING the planes would feel sad seeing the work they just made crash into the trees on takeoff for the ferry flights. Something like 2/3 wouldn't make it out from the factory. Those that did had such low production quality that the engines wouldn't let them climb to altitude, and wouldn't even produce full throttle most times. A Ki-84-Ia from the beginning of the production run was actually the best performing and most reliable version around. They were the ones built with some semblence of quality control. Later, things were too desperate and the war was all but lost and landing on their shores.


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you should re-read what I said.....


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I specified the non-bare metal in reference to the 29th Sentai, because we already have one. We also have the one in the pic you posted. But there might be one out there that hasn't been done for AH yet that I would want to do.

ya I just read it too fast and thought you were looking for bare metal Ki84's  :salute

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Re: Japanese Profiles.
« Reply #56 on: September 04, 2015, 01:20:35 PM »

just a quick search and I found this....not the 29th..but still a bare metal Ki...its from 73rd Sentai Tokorozawa




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durp I thought you were looking for bare metal birds...now I see you said NON bare metal.... :o

Few to choose from with bare metal.













Red wing tips as well.














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Re: Japanese Profiles.
« Reply #57 on: September 04, 2015, 01:56:55 PM »
Few to choose from with bare metal.













Red wing tips as well.














nice!! :rock

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Re: Japanese Profiles.
« Reply #58 on: September 05, 2015, 02:35:48 PM »
Doubt this is a combat aircraft it was too good a picture not to post though.





I think this is #86 there seems to be something possibly blocking the rest of the #8 in the photo?

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Re: Japanese Profiles.
« Reply #59 on: September 05, 2015, 04:59:37 PM »
What about the Manchurian Ki-43s? Are these not allowed or already in?

As a kid I remember seeing some Japanese planes with dark blue national insignia on a color plate.   Must have been a misprint but always stuck with me.
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