Author Topic: • ROOK [MoM #5] "Operation Hard Rain", 21 SEP 2010 •  (Read 10552 times)

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Re: • ROOK [MoM #5] "Operation Hard Rain", 21 SEP 2010 •
« Reply #90 on: September 22, 2010, 07:30:50 AM »

My 3rd MoM, always a good time.  We decided to fly against the bombers this time instead of with them.  I lost my 262 at 32K to carrier ack without any warning.  Yes I was pissed and yes I'm whining about it.  1 shot 1 kill and I'm in the tower.

Finished attacks with JUGS and 190's and had a blast. :x

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Re: • ROOK [MoM #5] "Operation Hard Rain", 21 SEP 2010 •
« Reply #91 on: September 22, 2010, 07:49:40 AM »
I found that the reports about altitudes of both bombers as well as their escorts had been grossly exaggerated for the most part. Even by myself.

awww if i'd known that I would have scrambled some interceptors :(  the reports I was seeing (from people whos intel I trust) were muuch higher. 25k buffs with 30k escort isnt too bad, at least some planes are still maneuverable at 30k.
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Re: • ROOK [MoM #5] "Operation Hard Rain", 21 SEP 2010 •
« Reply #92 on: September 22, 2010, 07:50:20 AM »
Damn Dragon, Id have thrown my fist thru the screen.

Chock another one up for the robots.

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Re: • ROOK [MoM #5] "Operation Hard Rain", 21 SEP 2010 •
« Reply #93 on: September 22, 2010, 07:54:35 AM »
Thank you Delta. I had a great time.

Thank you P-51 escorts for taking the trip. You guys did a great job. Was very fun to lead you fellas, and you guys made it easy on me.


For the guys that called us a dweeby hoard......well......we came in at 25K and gave you a weeks notice before we were going to do it. There was no hiding or hoarding. But some folks will call anything over three planes a hoard.

I know it was a lot of work for you Delta, but everyone that I have seen or talked to, that flew with us or against us had a great time. Thank you for the hard work  :salute

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Re: • ROOK [MoM #5] "Operation Hard Rain", 21 SEP 2010 •
« Reply #94 on: September 22, 2010, 08:01:16 AM »
awww if i'd known that I would have scrambled some interceptors :(  the reports I was seeing (from people whos intel I trust) were much higher. 25k buffs with 30k escort isnt too bad, at least some planes are still maneuverable at 30k.

Honestly, I wouldn't even had complained if they had been higher.

Getting altitude is about the only chance they have to get to the strategic targets deep behind the enemy lines and getting back.
We could see how they were swarmed with fighters, if they had been at a supposed altitude of 15k only, they would have never stood a chance of getting near their target even.
Yes, I believe that it there should be a chance of success for both sides  :old:

And btw: Escorts suffer from the same problems as the interceptors do at very high altitudes. If you are an escort hovering at 36k over the buffs and simply drop down on a 30k interceptor like you are used at usual MA altidudes, you will be in for a surprise ;)

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Re: • ROOK [MoM #5] "Operation Hard Rain", 21 SEP 2010 •
« Reply #95 on: September 22, 2010, 08:07:36 AM »
I'm betting quite a few players learnt about compression last night :D
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Re: • ROOK [MoM #5] "Operation Hard Rain", 21 SEP 2010 •
« Reply #96 on: September 22, 2010, 10:25:14 AM »
HAHAHA, MonkGF.  :cheers:
I remember your 109k4 run nearly perfectly. Mainly because us buffs were cat-calling you on vox because of the fast dead-six attack and the 109 tag.. We were all amazed that you made it through with both wings attached. <S> Sir for bravery.  :airplane:

High Bomb group was set at 25k, With Low group at 23k. The LCA didn't want to bring them all up to orbit altitude, even if ment a greater survivabilty. The object was to have fun, on both sides. Either being apart of the bombers and looking on with worried brow at 7 190's setting up a slashing attack.  :uhoh (Which was DAMN frightening as it was professional) Or being one of the attackers, looking at 112 bombers with escorts and wondering "I'm supposed to shoot at THAT?!"  :bolt:

The next MoM is in the works. Hopefully we'll get past 100 participants this time. (Which... given what we're thinking of doing, is going to be freaking AWESOME!!!!!)

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(Oh, and as a request to anyone who recorded the bomber attack. Could you see what killed me and my drone right AFTER the drop? Had just popped out of the bomb sight and closed the doors when I was missing my tail and my drone was nowhere. Did I get bombed by my own? Or just got lucky and bulls-eyed by a flak?)
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Re: • ROOK [MoM #5] "Operation Hard Rain", 21 SEP 2010 •
« Reply #97 on: September 22, 2010, 10:49:31 AM »

When checking my 50 minutes of film, I found that the reports about altitudes of both bombers as well as their escorts had been grossly exaggerated for the most part. Even by myself.
In AH at high altitude, more distant cons often seem to be way above you while in fact they are just slightly higher.

The bombers actually had been between 23-26 (their target level being 25k obviously, very few of the fighters that tried to bounce me had been higher than 30k (most Ponies were well below 30 before engaging, only a small flight of P-38 happened to be 30-36k)


The main bomber group shortly after hitting their target:

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my crew of 7 hit the escorts and we were all at 35k feet. i dove two grand due to maneuver problems at alt and we had a form of 10 ponies 6k out HIGHER than us. we hit some planes around 27k and me and one of my squaddies climbed back to 32k and 7=5 38s and 47s were there still ABOVE us. those 38s werent a problem for us 51 attackers though but those 47N/Ms :rolleyes: add the 10 51s in and we got smashed...
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Re: • ROOK [MoM #5] "Operation Hard Rain", 21 SEP 2010 •
« Reply #98 on: September 22, 2010, 10:59:38 AM »
HAHAHA, MonkGF.  :cheers:

The next MoM is in the works. Hopefully we'll get past 100 participants this time. (Which... given what we're thinking of doing, is going to be freaking AWESOME!!!!!)


Yes the next MoM Mission is in the planning. Cant wait, im sure and hope we can get over 100 people in it next time.
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Re: • ROOK [MoM #5] "Operation Hard Rain", 21 SEP 2010 •
« Reply #99 on: September 22, 2010, 11:26:47 AM »
Was a lot of fun as expected, thanks to the leadership on all sides for their efforts.  A recording or transcript of comms from both sides would be fun to have, if our calls in the high bomber group were any indication.  Similar to the soundtrack from '12 Oclock High' and 'Memphis Bell'.  Looking forward to the next one, thanks to everyone who participated.

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Re: • ROOK [MoM #5] "Operation Hard Rain", 21 SEP 2010 •
« Reply #100 on: September 22, 2010, 12:04:32 PM »
AFTER ACTION REPORT
Mission No. 5
Tuesday, 21 SEP 2010
OPERATION HARD RAIN

Thanks for attending guys.  I'm very glad that everyone
seems to have had a good time. Sure, it's fun for me to participate
but my main objective is to make sure everyone has fun on both sides
of the battle so we can continue to build interest and increase
involvement in future [MoMs].  The bigger the better!

Last night was quite a clash.  We launched the bombers in three
waves to form three bomber groups, the 91st, 381st and 398th,
corresponding to high-mid-low group positions respectively. 
I was in the last group to launch, the low bomber group.
The fighter group consisted of the 383rd Fighter Squadron in P-8L's,
the 487th Fighter Squadron in P-47M's and the 352nd Fighter
Squadron in P-51D Mustangs.

While we were taking off I looked skyward and saw a swarm of
black dots above us; our P-51 escorts overhead providing cover
for us as we lumbered to our target altitude of 23,000 feet. 
It was a comforting site to see our "little friends" shepherding
us while we were so low and vulnerable.

As I looked at the map I could clearly see the three
groups as tight masses of green dots clawing themselves
upward, still climbing in ther bombers towards the rally
point; still not at a defensible altitude and not yet grouped
together.  Fragmented, low, vulnerable.

Then the red dots began to appear.

At first we were met by 4 P-51D mustangs that I presume
were captured aircraft employed by KG.200 as a ploy to
get into the bomber formations and cause some mischief.
These were quickly followed by reports of 262's, Fw190's and
Me109's.  Before long the lead group was under attack
while they were still climbing to their assigned altitude
of 25 thousand feet.  Being in the last group to take off,
we saw very little enemy contact but the guys up front
were already getting hit!

The radio soon began to crackle with excited calls of "262,
two 262's closing in fast!"  Then "swarms of 190's above us!"
I saw bombers falling from the sky without a wing and
enemy fighters coming apart as they dared attack a B-17
from the six o'clock position.  Fighter escorts were
claiming victories and did an excellent job of defending
the bombers.  Most stayed with the bombers but some
of our escorts were seduced low in pursuit if enemy
fighters.  Despite these few who couldn't detach themselves
from their prey, I couldn't ask for more from our brave
little friends who had to fight the enemy AND manage their
scarce fuel and ammunition supply!  Well done!

Judging from the reports that I was getting back from
group and squadron commanders, the defense was well
organized and was attacking in waves.  To hear the
descriptions of some of these attacks, they seemed
coordinated and highly determined, reminding me of the
eyewitness accounts offered by 8th USAAF bomber pilots
and crew.

And we were still only half way to the target.

Looking at the map, it seemed that the progression of the
lead bomber group had been halted, as if they had
bumped up against an invisible wall of resistance.
It was wierd.  It appeared to my bloodshot eyes
as though the lead bomber group had actually turned around!
 
I was beginning to fear the worst; that we wouldn't even make it
to the target without being decimated by enemy fighters.
"Maybe we should have gone higher", I thought.

Eventually though, the 381st and 398th reached the 91st BG
and we were finally able to establish our vertical box
formation at our designated altitudes.  Finally, mercifully,
we could make our turn towards the target, fully formed into
a three thousand foot high wall of steel bristling with
50-caliber widow makers, surrounded by ravenous eagles.

Thankfully too, my fears of utter annihilation turned out
to be exaggerated. 

When I queried the group and squadron commanders for a
SitRep and strength report I was informed that relatively
few bombers had been lost.  Judging from the VOX traffic
and the map it seemed otherwise.  I let out a great
sigh of relief as I realized that the bulk of our force
was intact and loaded for bear.

We still had a chance.

Traveling west towards the Knight industrial center,
we were being met by what seemed to be a steady stream
of enemy combatants, some of them from KG.200 again in
P-51s, P-47's and a lone report of an LA-7! (sigh)

Still, the clear majority of opposition were in 190's,
109's, 110's and 262's and a couple of Italian C.202's.
To those brave Knight pilots I offer a hearty salute
and my deepest respects for keeping the theme of the
night intact so everyone involved could get the smallest
sense of the experience confronted by our grandfathers
in that grueling conflict.

As we continued on our westerly course, the strength
of enemy fighter opposition suddenly dropped off
compelling one bomber pilot to quip, "that was their last
wave".  Indeed, it felt like we had braved the brunt of a
massive storm and had finally emerged out of the darkness
into clearing skies.   It was still raining though, but the
downpour of enemy hail had somewhat abated.  Whew.

Just in time.

The target was now fast approaching and we had to open our bomb
bay doors and get into our Norden bomb sites.  By this time many of
us had acquired a dedicated gunner from among our casualties
and they couldn't have been more welcome as enemy fighters
were circling, waiting for us to begin the bomb run and
become most vulnerable.

I didn't see any flak over the target which was very
surprising as I had received intel that the flak would be
dense over such a vital strategic asset.  It might have
be present and perhaps I was so focused I didn't see any.
Who knows, perhaps we were experiencing some much-needed
luck or maybe the 16-year-old flak gunners had fled to the
shelters. Whatever the reason, it was a welcome development.

3-2-1, "bombs away" reports punctuated VOX, "what direction
do we turn after bomb drop?"  "Turn Right", came the replies,
"and head to A25".  Now fragmented, the bomber group struggled
to resume a close defensive formation.  Our fighter escorts
had been fragmented too, whittled down by enemy fighters,
low ammunition and fuel shortages.

We began to egress but the enemy would not let us escape without
a protracted fight.  Again, Fw190's, 262's and other German plans
pursued us and snipped at the stragglers.  We began to descend
to a lower altitude to assist returning fighter escorts
in getting to us so they could repel the heel biting
Knights.

Returning to base, we were lining up on the tarmac for a
group photo when some tenacious, suicidal Knight
pilots decided they couldn't resist strafing the field.
They traded perkies for scorn as they swooped down in
262's bent on revenge.  I have their names but cannot
reveal them as we have sent an assassination team to Knightland
to hunt these vermin down and dispatch them to the final
adjudication location.  You know who you are.

Reviewing the battle, approximately 60% of our bomber force
returned to base.  I don't have any debriefs from the fighter
groups so no data on their disposition is available.

STEALTH of the 777th Heaven's Demons compiled the following
data for us after most of us had landed (or been vulched).

Bomb Damage Assessment: 
City - 11%
Refinery - 75%
Radar Factory - 58%
Troop Training - 72%

Bomb Damage Points Landed: 31,238
Enemy Fighters Destroyed (landed): 24

Total Mission Duration: 97 minutes

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For this [MoM] I flew mostly with icons off as this helped
immerse me in the World War II experience a bit deeper.

This approach isn't for everyone.  It makes the challenge of
defending yourself much harder but it's much more realistic
in my opinion.  And, since I recorded over 4 DVDs worth of FRAPS
last night, no icons will make for a much more interesting
movie that I'm planning to produce to promote greater
[MoM] participation.

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as never before. We expect the mission to be exceptionally
dangerous and the loss of life high.  The feint of heart need
not apply. Mission success and your survival will require the
highest order of discipline, teamwork and piloting skill. 
Error will result in death.

This [MoM] is based on a historical event.

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Re: • ROOK [MoM #5] "Operation Hard Rain", 21 SEP 2010 •
« Reply #101 on: September 22, 2010, 12:04:56 PM »
Any screen shots from last night?  I was in the vicinity but didn't see the mission, what can I say I'm a sucker for a low alt furball. :)

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Re: • ROOK [MoM #5] "Operation Hard Rain", 21 SEP 2010 •
« Reply #102 on: September 22, 2010, 12:18:13 PM »
was great fun, we initially concentrated on killing the fighters before attacking the buffs...all was going well for me till I had a CTD!...however..that would not stop me! I re upped and shot down some stragglers
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Re: • ROOK [MoM #5] "Operation Hard Rain", 21 SEP 2010 •
« Reply #103 on: September 22, 2010, 12:20:33 PM »
JG11 flew Ta-152's last night.  Here is one view...





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Re: • ROOK [MoM #5] "Operation Hard Rain", 21 SEP 2010 •
« Reply #104 on: September 22, 2010, 01:56:17 PM »
Had a great time last night defending! I only wish that I didn't disco in my P-51D at 20k. But after 5 min of having to reset my connection I upped a 109k and got shot down by the escorts. Lol

Great fun though.  :rock
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