P38 vs 109

[captain1ma]

ill escort you home! 

[CAP1]

ill escort you home! 

speaking of which......i was watching that film of when you almost snuk up behind my pee47......i never noticed the collision message till then. on my end, you were at least 50 yards away.....i was wondering how your wing got broken. 

[captain1ma]

weinie!   

[grumpy37]

as soon as i see any allie plane, specially the 38 try the scissors i just chop the throttle and hit flaps and wait for them to dangle........

[grumpy37]

when fighting any allie plane with the 109 and they start a scissor i cut the throttle and flap it out....  i can usually stay behind them and as they try and turn inside me run outa E and they are done....

[CAP1]

when fighting any allie plane with the 109 and they start a scissor i cut the throttle and flap it out....  i can usually stay behind them and as they try and turn inside me run outa E and they are done....

this is why i try to avoid both the rolling and flat scissors.

[grumpy37]

im also getting better at judging the 38's E  Ive actually been able to follow them up and flap out enough in the G2 to hang with them if i can keep my E up enough.  I have to make a shallower path up to maintain it but the torque can pull ya threw and up under them.

[Puma44]

When you guys say vertical do you mean like a snowboarders pipe where you go up to the rim and then reverse or do you do full loops?  

I like the FW190A5.  If you have E, you can do the snowboarder type vertical engagement.  It's beautiful to flip it at the top with an E advantage and have a P40 or 38 dangling right below you.  I suppose I can try to fight the P38 the same way.  The most trouble I have fighting the 38s when flying Axis is misjudging the E state and not being able to keep with the zoom.

In here, sticking with a fight, the longer the fight goes the worse it gets for me, when I'm pretty much flying anything USAAF.  USAAF planes seem to excel with teamwork but can be tough with single 1 vs 1 engagements against the 109s after the the initial move after the merge.  Any tricks for reversing a bad situation?  Do you stick with the vertical when a 109 is getting an advantage or do transition to a rolling scissors and try to force an overshoot?  

Chog

Vertical is basically any maneuver that is generally 90 degrees to the ground, rolling scissors, flat scissors, etc. and can be going up or down.  Forcing an overshoot is an art form that requires managing your energy state and estimating that of your opponent.  When you start make angles on you opponent, first check six, then get it on, saddle up, and smoke 'em.  If your opponent is starting to make angles on you, there are two choices; egress or use BFM to neutralize his angles.  If that still doesn't work, it's time to    

[CAP1]

im also getting better at judging the 38's E  Ive actually been able to follow them up and flap out enough in the G2 to hang with them if i can keep my E up enough.  I have to make a shallower path up to maintain it but the torque can pull ya threw and up under them.

well, ya kicked my bellybutton a few times the other night.

one thing i noticed i did wrong though, is that i kept merging with too low of a speed.

[a4944]

when fighting any allie plane with the 109 and they start a scissor i cut the throttle and flap it out....  i can usually stay behind them and as they try and turn inside me run outa E and they are done....

I've been trying a flat scissors in a P47 followed by a rolling scissors when they are out of phase (not sure I can really tell yet) with the hope that they are expecting the flat scissors to continue and get surprised by the slow flaps out roll and overshoot.  It's worked a couple of times but I'm not the best of shots and often miss my one snap shot.  Been taking quite a few hits doing this also while doing the flat scissors.

In a 109 I do what you do or go vertical if I get surprised and stay above them.  The rolling scissors really only works when someone is expecting an easy kill and tries to stick with it too long and overshoots.

I've always meant to pay more attention the engine torque thing.  I'll have to experiment with that.   I also need to work more on working flaps in and out to help keep E better than the opponent.

The 109s seem to be overall better planes 1 vs 1 but the higher numbers we have had help balanace it out.  There is always the stay alive as long as possible and hope a friendly will shoot him off your tail defense in a multi-con fight.

Chog

[grumpy37]

ha, i got lucky.  Ive learned to keep mine up much higher then I normally would at the merge.  The G2 can hold E well but its also fairly easy to bleed it off quickly if needed.  I dont ever know what im fighting against till we pass each other the first time so I have to be ready for any option.  

[CAP1]

I've been trying a flat scissors in a P47 followed by a rolling scissors when they are out of phase (not sure I can really tell yet) with the hope that they are expecting the flat scissors to continue and get surprised by the slow flaps out roll and overshoot.  It's worked a couple of times but I'm not the best of shots and often miss my one snap shot.  Been taking quite a few hits doing this also while doing the flat scissors.

In a 109 I do what you do or go vertical if I get surprised and stay above them.  The rolling scissors really only works when someone is expecting an easy kill and tries to stick with it too long and overshoots.

I've always meant to pay more attention the engine torque thing.  I'll have to experiment with that.   I also need to work more on working flaps in and out to help keep E better than the opponent.

The 109s seem to be overall better planes 1 vs 1 but the higher numbers we have had help balanace it out.  There is always the stay alive as long as possible and hope a friendly will shoot him off your tail defense in a multi-con fight.

Chog

bolded.

i patented that defense. you have to pay me a royalty every time you use it. 

[Puma44]

well, ya kicked my bellybutton a few times the other night.

one thing i noticed i did wrong though, is that i kept merging with too low of a speed.

"SPEED is life".  It's always much easier to get rid of too much than try to gain it.

...and for some comic relief. 

The three most useless things in aviation:
1. Gas in the truck
2. Runway behind you
3. Altitude above you   

[DEECONX]

One word. Hammerhead. 

[CAP1]

One word. Hammerhead. 

i've used this a couple of times with success. i've used it often without success. my lack of success, was due to timimg. timing is critical on this maneuver........