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Offline Muzzy

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More on Planes
« on: October 14, 2010, 09:15:00 PM »
Now that I've got a couple of months flying under my wings I thought I'd post some revised plane evaluations, again in the hopes that others will find them useful.

FW A8: For some reason this is my lucky bird.  I know it has some deficiencies but it always seems to be the one plane I can land kills in.  It’s not fast enough to outrun the premium fighters in the game, and it can’t out-turn the slower birds, but if you bring it to the fight under favorable circumstances you can devastate the opposition.  The guns package is amazing…I find the 4x20mm option to be the best, although the double taters are fun on occasion.  Seriously, I don’t know why I do so well with this plane, but I love it.  It’s tough and hard-hitting and you can kill bombers at 600 yards.  I do know that it's not the best performing bird out there, but it gets the job done, at least when I'm flying it anyways.

F4U1A: My hog of choice.  Now that I’ve learned the trick of only loading 50% fuel, I find I can take this bird up under almost any circumstances and be reasonably successful with it.  It’s best if you can grab some alt before going in, but if not, you still stand a reasonable chance on the deck, especially if you can use flaps effectively.  Deflection shots are much easier in this ride than the FW and you can also kill buffs with it if you’re careful.  Plus, it comes in white.  :aok

F4U1C: Ah the C-hog.  All the hoggy goodness plus cannon shells.  It’s great for jabo missions off of cv’s and for HO’ing poor defenseless Brewsters.  Not that I’d ever do that. Twice.   :devil

La7:  My new favorite ride for base defense, the La is quick and handles well down on the deck, while still being able to climb fast enough to get the med-alt buffs.  It’s limited by the difficult gun ballistics and you can easily overshoot if you’re not careful, but being able to catch any plane in the game (or run from them) is a great advantage.

Planes I’m still having difficulty with:  :headscratch:

F4U1D: You’d think there wouldn’t be much difference.  Statistically there’s not much difference.  According to the message boards there’s not much difference.  But for me, the difference is huge.  I have a positive Kill/Death score in the 1A, but in the 1D my score is far into the negative.  Maybe it’s because I use the D hog for jabo, maybe it’s because its performance is just different enough to throw my flying off, but either way, I’m still getting killed in the D-hog far more often than when I’m flying the A.

FW 190D: Similarly, the Dora is faster and far more responsive than the A8, but for some reason I’m not quite as successful at it.  I think the extra speed makes it more difficult for me to get the shots in.  It requires faster reflexes I think.  I tend to do better at long shots that require more lead to be thrown out, so maybe I’m missing that extra pair of 20mm’s.

P47 (all models: The Jug is the historical aircraft for my squadron so I’ve been trying to become proficient at it.  Unfortunately its handling characteristics are so different from my other rides that I’m having problems with it.  The 8x50’s are great, but at 400 convergence I miss a lot of shots close in.  I’m wondering if I could bring the guns in closer, or focus more on long shots and crossing shots.

P-38L.  Had a lot of fun flying this bird.  I’m setting up a training session with Soulyss to get a bit more out of it.  It’s a fantastic gun platform and it’s nimble if you know how to fly it.  Definitely needs a training program to get good at it.

109K4: The 30mm is a great 1-shot gun but it definitely takes some practice to become proficient with it.  The K4’s speed and climbing ability are nothing short of amazing, but is it really a good plane, or is it just that good pilots fly it?

Me 163: Rocket Maaaaan!  Something-something-high-as-elton-john-something Rocket Maaan!  Flew this with my squad buddy and it is a heck of a lot of fun, but something that fast should not have cannons that I can only hit with at 200 yards.  I dislike becoming a perk point missile.  At least I have a ride I can use to hunt down those evil strat bombers.


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Re: More on Planes
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2010, 04:30:15 AM »
109K4: The 30mm is a great 1-shot gun but it definitely takes some practice to become proficient with it. 
There are some aero-Wilhelm-Tell guys out there that can make the spud fly and connect to the target. For others this is not a projectile weapon - close the distance to the target and attach the 30mm grenade to its tail.
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Re: More on Planes
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2010, 04:35:32 AM »
 
I dislike becoming a perk point missile.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl man I know how you feel about that thing... I feel the same way :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Re: More on Planes
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2010, 06:00:15 AM »
Really like reading your write ups Muzzy    :salute

" All the hoggy goodness plus cannon shells "  :rofl
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Re: More on Planes
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2010, 06:05:45 PM »
There are some aero-Wilhelm-Tell guys out there that can make the spud fly and connect to the target. For others this is not a projectile weapon - close the distance to the target and attach the 30mm grenade to its tail.

once you get used to it and realise how it flys it is like a 50. cal, since I started flying the K-4 I now get messed up with other guns because im so used to leading with a tater
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Re: More on Planes
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2010, 02:09:54 AM »
I keep trying to tell the doubters that the A8 is a monster.  It's consistantly been my best ride for years in terms of K/D and K/S except I never leave home without the twin spud chuckers.  Bombers from 800 are easy meat on the table.
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Re: More on Planes
« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2010, 01:12:38 PM »
Here's my latest:

P51D Mustang: Yes it's fast and handles well and the standard 6x.50 are one of the most flexible gun packages in that you can shoot both deflection and trailing shots with comparative ease.  I think the one thing I learned in flying the D is that speed won't save you every time.  The pony is not a miracle plane and you have to fly it with the same level of skill and caution that you do with any other ride.  If you don't fly it to its strengths you will die just as easily.


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« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2010, 08:54:29 PM »
Muzzy I think you're a lifer :)  Good to hear and nice writeup <S>
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Re: More on Planes
« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2010, 11:08:23 AM »
Good post muzzy. most of y'all dont know who i am but in game call-sign is Heinrich same as here and i flew the k4 alot last month and was real successful in it. its a BnZ like most of the 109s except its alot faster and climbs better than almost any other plane in the game. but like you said the taters are short on demand and you gotta be patient and get in nice and close before you fire and i only fire bout 1-4 taters at a time cause only 65 of them. but 1 is all you need believe me:). and also try aiming for the cockpit because you either kill their pilot or take off their tail. but keep it fast and at decent alt. its not really good on deck cause it is not a turn fighter in my experience. so there is my 2 cents. 
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Re: More on Planes
« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2010, 10:38:05 PM »
I would have to dissagree about it not being good on deck, Co-E with an yother plane, if you can slow them down and then take the fight vertical, you have it in the bag
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« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2010, 01:34:06 AM »
Good post muzzy. most of y'all dont know who i am but in game call-sign is Heinrich same as here and i flew the k4 alot last month and was real successful in it. its a BnZ like most of the 109s except its alot faster and climbs better than almost any other plane in the game. but like you said the taters are short on demand and you gotta be patient and get in nice and close before you fire and i only fire bout 1-4 taters at a time cause only 65 of them. but 1 is all you need believe me:). and also try aiming for the cockpit because you either kill their pilot or take off their tail. but keep it fast and at decent alt. its not really good on deck cause it is not a turn fighter in my experience. so there is my 2 cents.  

The 109E-4 and F-4 are clearly turn fighters on a par with the Spitfires.  The 109G-2 and G-6 are more middle of the road energy fighters in a class similar to the Yaks and C.2xx's.  The 109G-14 and K-4 while fast, aren't particularily good at BnZ due to control stiffness in fast dives.  There are much better choices for that role.

I get down and dirty on the deck with the K4 regularly.  While I'm not an Agent360 in it who can give me a good run for my money when I'm in a Spit it's much better than you give it credit for and, until you're willing to go there you'll never know what a truely great plane it is.
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Re: More on Planes
« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2010, 09:03:33 AM »
Well it's obvious that the plane is capable of some amazing things, but I wonder what the outcome would be if you put two equally hot sticks against each other, one in the K4 and another in say the La7 or Mustang.


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Re: More on Planes
« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2010, 03:58:22 PM »
Well it's obvious that the plane is capable of some amazing things, but I wonder what the outcome would be if you put two equally hot sticks against each other, one in the K4 and another in say the La7 or Mustang.


 probably not much. Have you ever heard of the saying, "It's not the plane, but the pilot". If you were to take say 2 Grizzes ( heaven help us!!) and they went head to head the fight would be all about each of them trying to force the other player into fighting "his" fight.

While Heinrich said he "flew the k4 alot last month and was real successful in it" a quick look at his score for last month shows he had 70 kills in it having flown 60 sorties. That is barely over "1" as a k/d score. To him it was good success, over all I'm sure he didn't even touch the surface of what the plane is capable of with a "good" pilot behind the stick ( sorry Hienrich not trying to give you and grief here). As a comparison, Grizz has over 200 kills with 18 deaths in it last month.  :rolleyes:

The same goes for you Muzzy, while you had 185 kills in an A8 you also had 181 deaths in it. The point here is to learn the manuvers, and then learn how much you can push each plane. These guys that are the top sticks don't fly a plane like it's "suppose" to be flown....only BnZ, or only TnB... they use the plays to get evey bit of performance out of it to shoot down the other GUY.

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Re: More on Planes
« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2010, 04:42:57 PM »
its not really good on deck cause it is not a turn fighter in my experience. so there is my 2 cents. 

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Re: More on Planes
« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2010, 05:21:28 PM »
Well it's obvious that the plane is capable of some amazing things, but I wonder what the outcome would be if you put two equally hot sticks against each other, one in the K4 and another in say the La7 or Mustang.

Although I'm not a 'hot stick', I tend to sit next to an open window when I play AH. I will happily go with you (or anyone) to the DA and test this theory out.

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