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Re: Angela Merkel
« Reply #225 on: October 25, 2010, 01:40:02 PM »
first....illegals aren't our newest members. second, i've never thought illegals should be allowed to work or live in the country......third....i haven't checked this out, but i got it today in email.

From a California school teacher - - -
 
"As you listen to the news about the student protests over illegal immigration, there are some things that you should be aware of:
 I am in charge of the English-as-a-second-language department at
a large southern California high school which is designated a
Title 1 school, meaning that its students average lower socioeconomic
and income levels
 
Most of the schools you are hearing about, South Gate High, Bell
Gardens , Huntington Park , etc.., where these students are protesting,
are also Title 1 schools.
 
Title 1 schools are on the free breakfast and free lunch program. When I say free breakfast, I'm not talking a glass of milk and roll -- but a full breakfast and cereal bar with fruits and juices that would make a Marriott proud. The waste of this food is monumental, with trays and trays of it being dumped in the trash uneaten.
 
(OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK)
 
I estimate that well over 50% of these students are obese or at least moderately overweight. About 75% or more DO have cell phones. The school also provides day care centers for the unwed teenage pregnant
girls (some as young as 13) so they can attend class without the  inconvenience of having to arrange for babysitters or having family watch their kids.
 (OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK)
 
I was ordered to spend $700,000 on my department or risk losing funding for the upcoming year even though there was little need for anything; my budget was already substantial. I ended up buying new computers for the computer learning center, half of which, one month later, have been carved with graffiti by the appreciative students who obviously feel humbled and grateful to have a free education in America ..
(OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK)
 
I have had to intervene several times for young and substitute teachers whose classes consist of many illegal immigrant students here in the country less than 3 months who raised so much hell with the female teachers, calling them "Putas" (potatos ) and throwing things, that the teachers were in tears.
 
Free medical, free education, free food, day care, etc., etc, etc. Is it any wonder they feel entitled not only to be in this country but to demand rights, privileges and entitlements?
 
To those who want to point out how much these illegal immigrants contribute to our society because they LIKE their gardener and housekeeper and they like to pay less for tomatoes: spend some time in the real world of illegal immigration and see the TRUE costs.
 
Higher insurance, medical facilities closing, higher medical costs, more crime, lower standards of education in our schools, overcrowding, new diseases etc., etc, etc. For me, I'll pay more for tomatoes.


 Americans, We need to wake up. The guest worker program will be a disaster because we won't have the guts to enforce it. Does anyone in their right mind really think they will voluntarily leave and return?
 
It does, however, have everything to do with culture: A third-world culture that does not value education, that accepts children getting pregnant and dropping out of school by 15 and that refuses to assimilate, and an American culture that has become so weak and worried about"political correctness " that we don't have the will to do anything about it.
 
If this makes your blood boil, as it did mine, forward this to everyone you know including your Congressmen and Senators.


 
CHEAP LABOR? Isn't that what the whole immigration issue is about?
 
Business doesn't want to pay a decent wage.
 
Consumers don't want expensive produce.
 
Government will tell you Americans don't want the jobs.
 
But the bottom line is cheap labor. The phrase "cheap labor" is a myth ,
a farce, and a lie. There is no such thing as "cheap labor."
 
Take, for example, an illegal alien with a wife and five children. He takes a job for $5.00 or 6.00/hour. At that wage, with six dependents, he pays no  income tax, yet at the end of the year, if he files an Income Tax Return, he gets an "earned income credit" if  up to $3,200 free. He qualifies for Section 8 housing and subsidized rent.
 
He qualifies for food stamps..
 
He qualifies for free (no deductible), no co-pay) health care.
 
His children get free breakfasts and lunches at school.
 
He requires bilingual teachers and books.
 
He qualifies for relief from high energy bills...
 
If they are or become, aged, blind or disabled , they qualify for SSI.
Once qualified for SSI they can qualify for Medicare . All of this is at (our) taxpayer's expense .
 
He doesn't worry about car insurance, life insurance, or homeowners insurance.
 
Taxpayers provide Spanish language signs, bulletins and printed material.
 
He and his family receive the equivalent of $20.00 to $30.00/hour in benefits.
 
Working Americans are lucky to have $5.00 or $6.00/hour left after paying their bills AND his.
 
The American taxpayers also pay for increased crime, graffiti and trash clean-up.
 
Cheap labor? YEAH RIGHT! Wake up people!
 
THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS WE SHOULD BE ADDRESSING TO THE  PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES FOR EITHER PARTY. 'AND WHEN THEY LIE TO US AND DON'T DO AS THEY SAY, WE SHOULD REPLACE THEM AT ONCE!'

THIS HAS GOT TO BE PASSED ALONG TO AS MANY AS POSSIBLE OR WE
WILL ALL GO DOWN THE DRAIN BECAUSE A FEW DON'T CARE

 
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Re: Angela Merkel
« Reply #226 on: October 25, 2010, 01:42:39 PM »
Bottom line, in a free market economy, either the most qualified applicant, intellectually or physically for each job, (or the cheapest labor) will win.  Generally, the most qualified and cheapest will win.  That's the way the system is built.

If that's an Indian from New Delhi who paid attention in the classroom and proved he can learn anything at a higher level than the American that slid through high school and college with C's... (this also segways into the ongoing American devaluation of Education, but, another thread)..... so be it.  You cannot defend a stance of supporting a free market economy to denouncing immigration.   It simply lacks any semblance of logic.  The free market will always choose the cheapest option, because that is its' central tenant.

The major difference between the Indian and the American?  American children are gifted with the innate feeling of entitlement to a 100K (or higher) plus job, by virtue of our rich society.  The Indian will work his arse off to get it, in school and on-the-job, and is willing to start at the bottom to prove himself, by virtue of his "poor" society.  You cannot sit on a platform of societal bias, whereas the American is "guaranteed" a job, because of his/her citizenship, but still "require" a higher salary.  Ask any college senior, these days.  They turn their noses up at 35-40K starting salaries. Their innate sense of worth is misguided and misconstrued by the societal cues around them.

I just recently had to laugh at a girl about to graduate with a Master's in my field.  Smart young lady, but seriously out of touch.  I explained she better be ready to accept a job at around 28-35K starting, if it even presented itself.  She gasped like that was an insult, and proceeded to tell me she was worth 55 to 60 K starting, and wouldn't "accept" a penny less.  In my field of biology, if you make 60K, you're definitely on the 25th percentile, or maybe a bit higher.  Directors of internationally renowned research stations, with 20 years of publishing make just over 100K if they are lucky.  But this 20 something tells me she's going to make 60 out of the box, or she's turning it down..... LMAO.

Damn, when did I claim all that?  :rofl  All I said is that they worry about the wrong people as far as jobs go.  Never said it was right or wrong  :lol  
However, being in the IT business, when we hire consultants (with H1 visas) to replace Americans, we don't look at their school records or how hard they work.  How would we know that? lol.  We talk to a sales man and check out the price.  In bigger companies, it also depends on who gets payed off to complete the transaction  :lol  There is the how things would work in theory, and how they work in practice.  Theory is for the books only  ;)

So in theory, illegals take jobs away.  In practice, I dont want those jobs and I am glad they are here to do them.
In theory, legals (read all the bla bla bla) these guys provided for us lol.  In practice, they will take our jobs legally because they are legal.  But, because they are cheaper than you or I, they can get a visa instantly instead of waiting 20 years.  Nice system really, provide both slave labor at the low levels and cheaper labor at the higher levels while you (the government)  denounces both and claims that it will provide a solution to these problems.  Meanwhile, people argue in bulletin boards as if they can change anything  :lol
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Re: Angela Merkel
« Reply #227 on: October 25, 2010, 01:55:33 PM »
you're trolling...i know ya are........... :neener:
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Re: Angela Merkel
« Reply #228 on: October 25, 2010, 01:58:51 PM »
you're trolling...i know ya are........... :neener:

Nop, this is not the AvA thread  :rofl
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« Reply #229 on: October 25, 2010, 02:04:17 PM »
lol, so we are saying the same thing then?  An illegal cannot take your job in the Navy away, can he?  So, you either don;t understand what I say or you just don;t like Mexicans.  Isn't this the real issue behind all this?  I am not talking about temporary minimum wage jobs.  We all had one of those.  Did they take yours?  I am guessing no right.  Now, if 20 years from now you are in the same minimum wage job and you lose it to a Mexican, don;t look for sympathy here.

As I said, all BS.  They could not take your job because your employer does not want to take the risk for a few $.  There are about 5 jobs they can easily take.  You are smart guy.  Figure out what they are and tell me if you want to do them.

My ONLY point against illegal immigrants has ALWAYS been that they are violating our laws by coming in here. If they follow the legal process, they can come in and work however they bloody well choose.

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Re: Angela Merkel
« Reply #230 on: October 25, 2010, 02:07:29 PM »
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Re: Angela Merkel
« Reply #231 on: October 25, 2010, 02:31:10 PM »
I'd say about 10 more posts

The fact that this thread went beyond 10 is commendable :aok

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Re: Angela Merkel
« Reply #232 on: October 25, 2010, 02:36:49 PM »
The fact that this thread went beyond 10 is commendable :aok

Thank god for guys like you.  We are just talking.  Really no need for people asking to lock the thread or starting the IN crap.  Be part of the conversation or don't be  :aok
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Re: Angela Merkel
« Reply #233 on: October 25, 2010, 07:01:04 PM »
first....illegals aren't our newest members. second, i've never thought illegals should be allowed to work or live in the country......third....i haven't checked this out, but i got it today in email.

From a California school teacher - - -
 


And the best way this "educated" teacher thought to combat this problem was an opinion-laced, horribly written chain letter with bad grammar?  :x

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Re: Angela Merkel
« Reply #234 on: October 25, 2010, 07:03:24 PM »
And the best way this "educated" teacher thought to combat this problem was an opinion-laced, horribly written chain letter with bad grammar?  :x



i warned ya that i didn't check anything out on it.

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Re: Angela Merkel
« Reply #235 on: October 25, 2010, 07:58:47 PM »
first....illegals aren't our newest members. second, i've never thought illegals should be allowed to work or live in the country......third....i haven't checked this out, but i got it today in email.

From a California school teacher - - -
 
"As you listen to the news about the student protests over illegal immigration, there are some things that you should be aware of:
 I am in charge of the English-as-a-second-language department at
a large southern California high school which is designated a
Title 1 school, meaning that its students average lower socioeconomic
and income levels
 
Most of the schools you are hearing about, South Gate High, Bell
Gardens , Huntington Park , etc.., where these students are protesting,
are also Title 1 schools.


 
Title 1 schools are on the free breakfast and free lunch program. When I say free breakfast, I'm not talking a glass of milk and roll -- but a full breakfast and cereal bar with fruits and juices that would make a Marriott proud. The waste of this food is monumental, with trays and trays of it being dumped in the trash uneaten.
 
(OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK)
 
I estimate that well over 50% of these students are obese or at least moderately overweight. About 75% or more DO have cell phones. The school also provides day care centers for the unwed teenage pregnant

look at the con pictures, obesity is not just for illegal aliens.  

girls (some as young as 13) so they can attend class without the  inconvenience of having to arrange for babysitters or having family watch their kids.
 (OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK)


 
I was ordered to spend $700,000 on my department or risk losing funding for the upcoming year even though there was little need for anything; my budget was already substantial. I ended up buying new computers for the computer learning center, half of which, one month later, have been carved with graffiti by the appreciative students who obviously feel humbled and grateful to have a free education in America ..
(OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK)

did a teacher write this letter or an administrator?  how many computers does $700,000 buy?  she bought 700 computers?
 
I have had to intervene several times for young and substitute teachers whose classes consist of many illegal immigrant students here in the country less than 3 months who raised so much hell with the female teachers, calling them "Putas" (potatos ) and throwing things, that the teachers were in tears.

last I checked putas does not mean potatos.
 
Free medical, free education, free food, day care, etc., etc, etc. Is it any wonder they feel entitled not only to be in this country but to demand rights, privileges and entitlements?

you cannot get free school lunch unless you are here legally.  proof is required and its been since '81 or 82.  its the federal law.  as for free medical care?  if it was i would gladly dump my own insurance coverage and tell everybody i am here illegally.
 
To those who want to point out how much these illegal immigrants contribute to our society because they LIKE their gardener and housekeeper and they like to pay less for tomatoes: spend some time in the real world of illegal immigration and see the TRUE costs.

sure anybody that wants to spend some time in the real world of illegal immigration go to your nearest farm and pick fruits or vegetables for 4 bucks and hour.
 
Higher insurance, medical facilities closing, higher medical costs, more crime, lower standards of education in our schools, overcrowding, new diseases etc., etc, etc. For me, I'll pay more for tomatoes.

there are way more legal residents/citizens who do not have health insurance that there are illegal aliens.  these is what is the real reason it is expensive.  what exactly are the new exotic deseases here in the us?


 Americans, We need to wake up. The guest worker program will be a disaster because we won't have the guts to enforce it. Does anyone in their right mind really think they will voluntarily leave and return?

this is partly true.  they sure as hell wont be guest workers.  remember the guest workers in the 40's to 60's?  they're still waiting for the wages that were held to be paid back.
 
It does, however, have everything to do with culture: A third-world culture that does not value education, that accepts children getting pregnant and dropping out of school by 15 and that refuses to assimilate, and an American culture that has become so weak and worried about"political correctness " that we don't have the will to do anything about it.

legal residents and citizens are having kids are a younger age.  nothing new here.
 
If this makes your blood boil, as it did mine, forward this to everyone you know including your Congressmen and Senators.


 
CHEAP LABOR? Isn't that what the whole immigration issue is about?
 
Business doesn't want to pay a decent wage.
 
Consumers don't want expensive produce.
 
Government will tell you Americans don't want the jobs.
 
But the bottom line is cheap labor. The phrase "cheap labor" is a myth ,
a farce, and a lie. There is no such thing as "cheap labor."
 
Take, for example, an illegal alien with a wife and five children. He takes a job for $5.00 or 6.00/hour. At that wage, with six dependents, he pays no  income tax, yet at the end of the year, if he files an Income Tax Return, he gets an "earned income credit" if  up to $3,200 free. He qualifies for Section 8 housing and subsidized rent.

here is another lie.  you cannot get section 8 unless you are here legally.  and how in the hell can a guy making 5 or 6 bucks support 7? you smell bs?  here is a dare for you cap1.  your job is to find out where you can apply for section 8.  dont bother you cant and havent been able for years.  and the waiting list for it is like 7 years long.
 
He qualifies for food stamps..

nope you must be here legally to get food stams.
 
He qualifies for free (no deductible), no co-pay) health care.

nope you must be here legally to get health care.  if it was free to illegal aliens, there would be lots of us saying we were.  hell i dont want to pay7k a year for insurance if i dont have to
 
His children get free breakfasts and lunches at school.

see above must be here legally and prove it.  
 
He requires bilingual teachers and books.

get rid of french and latin classes too.
 
He qualifies for relief from high energy bills...

see the above, must be here legally
 
If they are or become, aged, blind or disabled , they qualify for SSI.
Once qualified for SSI they can qualify for Medicare . All of this is at (our) taxpayer's expense .

pretty sure lots of blind/old people cross the border. again you must be here legally to get ssi.
 
He doesn't worry about car insurance, life insurance, or homeowners insurance.

sure as hell he worries. one ticket car is impounded for driving w/o a license.  why is life insurance even mentioned? oh i forgot writer run out of bs.  homeowners insurance?  no house, no homeowners insurance.  own a home, you must have it, that simple
 
Taxpayers provide Spanish language signs, bulletins and printed material.

also available in German, Italian french, many oriental/middle eastern, etc
 
He and his family receive the equivalent of $20.00 to $30.00/hour in benefits.

and how?  and more important how would a teacher know this?
 
Working Americans are lucky to have $5.00 or $6.00/hour left after paying their bills AND his.

sound about how much money i have left.
 
The American taxpayers also pay for increased crime, graffiti and trash clean-up.

all the graffiti is done by illegal aliens?
 
Cheap labor? YEAH RIGHT! Wake up people!
 
THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS WE SHOULD BE ADDRESSING TO THE  PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES FOR EITHER PARTY. 'AND WHEN THEY LIE TO US AND DON'T DO AS THEY SAY, WE SHOULD REPLACE THEM AT ONCE!'

THIS HAS GOT TO BE PASSED ALONG TO AS MANY AS POSSIBLE OR WE
WILL ALL GO DOWN THE DRAIN BECAUSE A FEW DON'T CARE

i think the line about "you must pass this on to 10 friends, or your loved one will die in an accicent" was forggotten.

 


angela spent many years here and she didn't learn the biggest lesson.  people will use you then they will throw you away.  oh yeah and gloria allred does really have your best interests in mind  :rofl.


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Re: Angela Merkel
« Reply #236 on: October 25, 2010, 11:29:28 PM »
hi guys i just got here. what did she say?

 I tried to youtube her, but all I got was a bunch of video picture collages of her with lady gaga's "poker face" playing in the background.... might i say it came out nicely though :noid
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Re: Angela Merkel
« Reply #237 on: October 25, 2010, 11:50:43 PM »
Angela Merkel said multiculturalism isnt working for germany.

We got into the discussion about how it isnt working here either.

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« Reply #238 on: October 26, 2010, 04:57:34 AM »
Angela Merkel said multiculturalism isnt working for germany.

We got into the discussion about how it isnt working here either.

Mexicans.

Multiculturalism is not equal to illegal immigration. Multiculturalism occurs with legal immigration too. There is a large difference between saying multiculturalism has failed and saying there are too many illegal immigrants. Many of the 'immigrants' that Germany is complaining about are legal and have been there for 20+ years, and its their failure to be 'German' that is the issue, not that some of them may be there illegally.

I think you would be hard pressed to find Americans that would share the same sediment, I would hope that most Americans are more experienced and less frightened by multiculturalism since it has been at the very core of this country since it's inception, and before. AS for Americans, its obvious that illegal immigration is a big issue, but thats not, as I stated before multiculturalism per-say, thats illegal immigration. EVEN people who have stated that they are against illegal immigration have also stated they have nothing against legal immigrants. If your implying that the illegal immigration debate is a veil over the fact that some people don't like particular ethnic groups, that may be true, but I'm trying to give people the benefit of the doubt (although maybe I shouldn't be).

Put it this way....
Do you like having the option of eating Mexican/Chinese/Japanese/Indian food in your town/state, etc...? In a very simplistic form, thats a mild form of Multiculturalism, the mixing of cultures, or their food (to some extent).

What Merkel is saying is "We don't like other cultures being present in our society (because we think we are the best, etc...)". Ironically, the mixing of new cultures in a society only means that host society is changing and often this does not result in the host society becoming that of the immigrants but rather some fusion that is often more vibrant, more dynamic and more able to adapt.

History has shown us that the most successful civilizations are the ones who are able to best adapt to change, not the most rigid or inflexible.
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Re: Angela Merkel
« Reply #239 on: October 26, 2010, 07:49:36 AM »
hi guys i just got here. what did she say?

 I tried to youtube her, but all I got was a bunch of video picture collages of her with lady gaga's "poker face" playing in the background.... might i say it came out nicely though :noid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3J-UJO4ot3M
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