Angela Merkel

[CAP1]

Multiculturalism is not equal to illegal immigration. Multiculturalism occurs with legal immigration too. There is a large difference between saying multiculturalism has failed and saying there are too many illegal immigrants. Many of the 'immigrants' that Germany is complaining about are legal and have been there for 20+ years, and its their failure to be 'German' that is the issue, not that some of them may be there illegally.i don't think it's their failure to be "german" that she's complaining about, but rather their refusal to assimilate into their culture. that doesn't mean you have to be "german". it simply means that when you're in public, you don't walk into a shop, and expect them to understand your native tongue...you learn theirs. you don't expect them to accept you covering your face(for yoru religion)...if that's what you want, then go somewhere where that is the normal. 

I think you would be hard pressed to find Americans that would share the same sediment, I would hope that most Americans are more experienced and less frightened by multiculturalism since it has been at the very core of this country since it's inception, and before. AS for Americans, its obvious that illegal immigration is a big issue, but thats not, as I stated before multiculturalism per-say, thats illegal immigration. EVEN people who have stated that they are against illegal immigration have also stated they have nothing against legal immigrants. If your implying that the illegal immigration debate is a veil over the fact that some people don't like particular ethnic groups, that may be true, but I'm trying to give people the benefit of the doubt (although maybe I shouldn't be).as previously stated, i've no problem with immigrants. they need to assimilate into our culture. they need to not expect us to train our cops in 5 languages, put up signs in 5 languages, or even store clerks knowing their language. they're free to do their own thing in their own home.

Put it this way....
Do you like having the option of eating Mexican/Chinese/Japanese/Indian food in your town/state, etc...? In a very simplistic form, thats a mild form of Multiculturalism, the mixing of cultures, or their food (to some extent).

What Merkel is saying is "We don't like other cultures being present in our society (because we think we are the best, etc...)". Ironically, the mixing of new cultures in a society only means that host society is changing and often this does not result in the host society becoming that of the immigrants but rather some fusion that is often more vibrant, more dynamic and more able to adapt.
or could she be saying it's time for the immigrants to stop expecting them to "cater" to their ways?
History has shown us that the most successful civilizations are the ones who are able to best adapt to change, not the most rigid or inflexible.

[dedalos]

Angela Merkel said multiculturalism isnt working for germany.

We got into the discussion about how it isnt working here either.

Mexicans.

   Funny how they are hiding behind the 'legal' and 'illegal' words.  Just say only blond hair and blue eyes are allowed in this country.  At list I will respect your honesty 

FYI, I would think the American Indians would consider all of us illegal immigrants.  Time to go?   

[Masherbrum]

  Funny how they are hiding behind the 'legal' and 'illegal' words.  Just say only blond hair and blue eyes are allowed in this country.  At list I will respect your honesty 

FYI, I would think the American Indians would consider all of us illegal immigrants.  Time to go?   

 

[zack1234]

I heard Angela Merkel likes German sausage

[dedalos]

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Bahahha, best post in this thread lol

[Tupac]

  Funny how they are hiding behind the 'legal' and 'illegal' words.  Just say only blond hair and blue eyes are allowed in this country.  At list I will respect your honesty 

FYI, I would think the American Indians would consider all of us illegal immigrants.  Time to go?   

I'm not arguing any more in this thread, I was just informing our friend what was going on.

[Serenity]

  Funny how they are hiding behind the 'legal' and 'illegal' words.  Just say only blond hair and blue eyes are allowed in this country.  At list I will respect your honesty 

FYI, I would think the American Indians would consider all of us illegal immigrants.  Time to go?   

Stop hiding behind color and stereotypes. Just say the whole Golly-geened world should be able to do whatever they want wherever they want without any possible restriction, and I might not think so little of your argument.









No, I would still think you're being foolish.

[CAP1]

Stop hiding behind color and stereotypes. Just say the whole Golly-geened world should be able to do whatever they want wherever they want without any possible restriction, and I might not think so little of your argument.









No, I would still think you're being foolish.

bolded.

would you believe i know at least 3 people that believe this? they also believe that all of our militarys should be disbanded, along with all police forces..........pretty scary....

[Serenity]

bolded.

would you believe i know at least 3 people that believe this? they also believe that all of our militarys should be disbanded, along with all police forces..........pretty scary....

ROFL. Seems like Darwin's theory is starting to hold less water, since these dolts somehow continue to procreate...

[guncrasher]

bolded.

would you believe i know at least 3 people that believe this? they also believe that all of our militarys should be disbanded, along with all police forces..........pretty scary....

It's just a discussion cap, which means we exchange ideas, you say your bs, i reply with my bs.

there's also people that believe there was a shooter in the grassy knoll, the landing on the moon was fake, so just because their ideas are different isnt scary.  That's why we are Americans, we love to disagree.

semp

[CAP1]

It's just a discussion cap, which means we exchange ideas, you say your bs, i reply with my bs.

there's also people that believe there was a shooter in the grassy knoll, the landing on the moon was fake, so just because their ideas are different isnt scary.  That's why we are Americans, we love to disagree.

semp

i know. i've been enjoying this, and am surprised...and very glad...that no one has gotten out of hand to the point of getting this thread closed.

 why i mentioned that i was scared about my acquaintenance's attitude about the military.....one of them was actually bordering on violence as i tried to explain to him why they're necessary, and that they train hoping they never have to use their training, etc....the dude was nearly bursting veins in his neck and forehead......

[Tupac]

i know. i've been enjoying this, and am surprised...and very glad...that no one has gotten out of hand to the point of getting this thread closed.

 why i mentioned that i was scared about my acquaintenance's attitude about the military.....one of them was actually bordering on violence as i tried to explain to him why they're necessary, and that they train hoping they never have to use their training, etc....the dude was nearly bursting veins in his neck and forehead......

I'll let you borrow my pointy stick to beat your friend over the head with a couple times

[dedalos]

It's just a discussion cap, which means we exchange ideas, you say your bs, i reply with my bs.

there's also people that believe there was a shooter in the grassy knoll, the landing on the moon was fake, so just because their ideas are different isnt scary.  That's why we are Americans, we love to disagree.

semp

But to be a good American, you have to agree with these guys lol.  Even though the only thing I ever disagreed on was the "WHY" they cross illegally lol.  Then again, if they had an argument, they would not resort to name calling or quoting the name calling. 

Pack your bags.  Fair is fair.  We are all here illegally    Just because no one is left to complain it does not make it right does it?

[Ardy123]

or could she be saying it's time for the immigrants to stop expecting them to "cater" to their ways?

Cap,
Multiculturism doesn't mean you have to 'cater to their' ways, it just means you have to be accepting of their differences. There is nothing forcing you or any other individual to behave like them. I don't believe the 'Turkish' immigrants expect the other Germans to start speaking Turkish, I believe its more that the the other Germans are frustrated because the Turkish people haven't shedded their own customs.

Having been to many other countries, I can tell you that people will treat you differently if you have an accent, etc.. This among other things, encourages immigrants to band together, and slows the 'integration' process. To have a multicultural society, the host society has to be open to change was well as the guest society, its not a one-way street. I don't sense that Europe is interested in adapting. When one side is uninterested in adapting, the other side follows suit, and you have two cultures failing to assimilate into one.

To see this, you can look at our own history, for example, New York used to have large neighborhoods that were predominantly of one ethnic group such as Irish or Italian. At that point in time, I'm sure some felt that they would never integrate, but sure enough, over time and several generations, integration has occurred. Go back to the 1860s, and ask someone in the US what pasta is out side of a ethnic neighborhood, and I bet they wouldn't know.

[CAP1]

But to be a good American, you have to agree with these guys lol.  Even though the only thing I ever disagreed on was the "WHY" they cross illegally lol.  Then again, if they had an argument, they would not resort to name calling or quoting the name calling. 

Pack your bags.  Fair is fair.  We are all here illegally    Just because no one is left to complain it does not make it right does it?

not exactly.

we came in and took it from them. some they gave us(i think) the rest we took by force.

 if mexicans wanna come here and try to force the us military out.............well....good luck with that.