Spit 14, a little something more

[321BAR]

Neither numbers, nor checking the actual name list support that. The perked 14 is very rarely taken into the sky, which is absolutely the opposite what would happen if it where a preferred n00b ride.

SpitXVI killed the 14 24 times alone. 11 kills to ship gunnery, and approximately 30 more kills to planes that should not even qualify in the idea of killing Spit14s. this theorizes pilots using the 14 to counter enemies 10k and below in base defense and offense. im pretty sure the a6m5b shouldnt kill 11 spit14s unless the 14 pilot didnt know what he was working with (aka they thought that because it was a perked spit, they could possibly turn with a zero).
P51D killed it 31 times though... this makes more sense and 109K4 got it 21 times. these make sense.

but a6ms, la7s, nikis, and sea based planes dont make sense at all unless you calculate pilot's misunderstanding of the plane.

the answer's there, you just need to read it correctly...

[Lusche]

the answer's there, you just need to read it correctly...

Exactly my point. You should try it

[waystin2]

I beg to differ. G14≠XVI. The 16 is slower and has less WEP, but climbs better after 5K, turns tighter, has superior visibility, and superior armament (in terms of rate of fire, number of 20mm cannons, and in said weapons trajectories.).

The spitfires turn rate is vastly superior, and its torque is insignificant (from the perspective of a cartoon 109 pilot,at least). Provided that the spitfire does not try to turn to the right with throttle at 100% while the K4 has throttled down with flaps out, the spitfire will out turn the 109.

Compare the turn rate charts of both aircraft. The Spit XVI has a turn rate with flaps up (and I assume at full speed) that is comparable to that of the 109's with full flaps down(again here assuming at a much lower speed).

Performance charts here: http://www.gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php

You obviously have never flown the 14 have you?  I have flown both birds in question and the 14's torque is amongst the most severe in the game.

[wil3ur]

I don't see that huge of a difference between Spit XIV and Spit XVI asside from the 5 blade prop and eliptical wings.  I'd say the noobs don't fly it because there's very little difference between that and the spixteen, so why not fly the free-ride and save your perks for a Tempest and 4 lasers?

[321BAR]

Exactly my point. You should try it

agree to disagree then?

[Karnak]

I don't see that huge of a difference between Spit XIV and Spit XVI asside from the 5 blade prop and eliptical wings.  I'd say the noobs don't fly it because there's very little difference between that and the spixteen, so why not fly the free-ride and save your perks for a Tempest and 4 lasers?

That theory doesn't hold up as the Spitfire Mk XIV wasn't used when there wasn't a Spitfire Mk XVI or Mk VIII either.

[wil3ur]

Don't see what you're trying to say...  the Spit XIV just isn't that spectacular.  The I think the Spit IX is just as good, little slower, and again, no perks.  So yes, theory holds up fine.  If Spit XIV was the only spit, then I think you'd see people flying them.  There's just not enough of a difference in performance and loadout to make the XIV more worthwhile than a free ride.

[Karnak]

The F4U-1D is "just a little slower" than the F4U-4 too.

Sorry, but the reason the Spitfire Mk XIV has never gotten much use is because it is not particularly survivable as a perk plane, not because the Spitfire XVI, VIII or IX exist.

[wil3ur]

The F4U-1D is "just a little slower" than the F4U-4 too.

Exactly, and how often do you see a U4 involved in a base attack taking out hangars?  You don't, an F4U-1D is free and can accomplish the same job.  Thanks for proving my point.

[Karnak]

Exactly, and how often do you see a U4 involved in a base attack taking out hangars?  You don't, an F4U-1D is free and can accomplish the same job.  Thanks for proving my point.

The F4U-4 is much more expensive than the Spitfire Mk XIV and yet is used much more often and with much more success than the Spitfire Mk XIV.....


What does that mean?  It means your comparison is flawed.

[Lusche]

The F4U-4 is much more expensive than the Spitfire Mk XIV and yet is used much more often

F4U-4 is available from carriers, Spit XIV is not. I'm sure this has a big impact on usage as well (though not K/D)

[wil3ur]

What does that mean?  It means your comparison is flawed.

It means my initial response was indeed correct, and you keep making the point for me...  the benefit you get from a SpitXIV is not worth the cost.  A Spit IX or XVI can do all the same things at no cost.

I've stated my point?  What is yours... 

[bustr]

If you want to appreciate the Spit14 for it's strengths do what Waystin and I do with it when we run a POTW high hoard smack down.

On TT there is always a hoard of bish or rooks that hovers over a knight airfeild from 25k down. They suck the life out of any kind of fight by populating all the airspace but, not willing to engage. Just mass pick anyone willing to fly above 1k while waiting for their bombers to kill the fighter hangers. POTW will up a sector away with 12-20 spit14 and climb to 25k, then engage the hoardlings.

At 25k the spit14 on WEP is like the spit16 on WEP at 5k. We out turn everything. Out run everything. And outclimb everything the hoardlings bring to hide above 15k from the fight. We smack the hoard down to the deck and 99% of the time that tips the tide of the fight in the sector because we won't let anyone hide up on top from the battle. Our spit14 sweep only starts taking casulties when we drop below 15k to pick up some kills. Above 15k its WEP makes it a monster as an air superiority fighter against other fighters. No one furballs up there enmass in the MA. So like the Ta152 it rarely ever gets used for it's true strengths. It gets forced into being a low atltitiude carney ride.

Blelow 15k the spit14 cannot turn with the spit16 in a furball. The P51 is faster. The K4 out excellerates it and has a better climb. Any veteren in a spit9 below 15k can chew up a spit14 the same way they do to a P51, K4 or Tiffy in furballs. That aside you can say something similare for the P47M above 15k on WEP. I watch spit14 die all the time in furballs below 15k. But, just like the K4 expertin, I've seen a few dedicated players walk through furballs and kill everything in sight.

After all these years I don't see why the thing is still perked. For 4/5 of the players it's a death trap at any altitiude. Our games expertin class could make people want the I16 perked if tomorrow they suddenly decided it was the flavor of the month. Because of the spit14's handleing nuiances at low alt, I don't think unperking it will make the other spits hanger queens like unperking the CHog and 4Hog would to the Hog lineup. If anything the muppets would have a new ch200 entertainment because they would probably pick on spit14 drivers if it was unperked for awhile to show them what a POS low alt garbage it is compaired to a K4 or G14.

Spit14 even compresses like a K4 in a dive....spit14=Lawnspit

[FLOTSOM]

If anything the muppets would have a new ch200 entertainment because they would probably pick on spit14 drivers if it was unperked for awhile to show them what a POS low alt garbage it is compaired to a K4 or G14.

Bustr you BASTAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

you promised not to tell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Class, dont listen to the evil Bustr! he is trying to con you out of flying your rightful allotment of Spit XIV's! he is trying to make you believe that it is a bad ride so that he can keep them all to himself! you should learn from his attempt at deception and fly them often! you should fly them low and slow and turn fight with everything just feet off the deck!!!!!

EVIL EVIL BUSTR!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[bustr]

Bustr you BASTAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

you promised not to tell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Class, dont listen to the evil Bustr! he is trying to con you out of flying your rightful allotment of Spit XIV's! he is trying to make you believe that it is a bad ride so that he can keep them all to himself! you should learn from his attempt at deception and fly them often! you should fly them low and slow and turn fight with everything just feet off the deck!!!!!

EVIL EVIL BUSTR!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

I rest my case.....................