Another whine thread

[Ack-Ack]

The counter for what ghi does with the negative G overshoot, as soon as you see him dip nose down and you're going to over shoot, pull into the vertical and go into a high Yo Yo opposite of his negative G break.  As he comes out of it, you should be just about coming out of the top part of the Yo Yo and either have an angle for the shot or in position to saddle up.

ack-ack

[Krusty]

I have still not seen 1 shred of evidence F3 mode helps shooting in any way.

I have seen many claims of other people using it, but never one person saying exactly how he uses it himself to shoot with.

HiTech

I can attest that it does help. Think of it as flying around zoomed out with your interior cockpit turned off. You can pull lead on planes totally outside of your scope if you were inside the cockpit. Because you are in trail position with the "view camera" you can easily bank into a target cutting across you at 90 degrees, aim, and precisely hit them with a stream of ammo before anybody inside the cockpit can spot them.


In HTH rooms way back it was the main way most folks flew. It's very easy. Coupled with increased ammo (in HTH, not in the DA) it was quake-like easy kill mode.

In the MAs it's used by boston and IL2 pilots (and the odd B-25 pilot that wants to dogfight with the guns package) for easy aiming and shooting. In a Ju87 it makes it easy as pie to follow a target trying to get out of your guns. Your plane's performance holds you back in these examples, but often you get a big advantage from F3.

[hitech]

to clarify my explanation then of how i have used it on the A20. In the gunsight, there is a blindspot below the nose of every aircraft when lining up shots. Say the enemy is banking left and you have a high angle shot to kill him by following him by banking to the left (cutting the corner and making the shot). In F1 mode, you cannot see the enemy plane... In F3 mode you most certainly can line up the shot and the correct distance to make the kill.

I'm not good with vids so i'll leave it up to someone else being able to show what i mean.

Would love to see a film, just go off line and kill some drones in F3 view for me.

HiTech

[321BAR]

Would love to see a film, just go off line and kill some drones in F3 view for me.

HiTech

alright ill film it but my problem is is how to upload it to the internet and then from there emailing etc. i can do anything on the internet EXCEPT films and pics uploading

[Ack-Ack]

alright ill film it but my problem is is how to upload it to the internet and then from there emailing etc. i can do anything on the internet EXCEPT films and pics uploading

Use a free hosting service like Mediafire.  Upload the film and then post the link in your post.

ack-ack

[Lusche]

Or simply mail the film directly to HTC.   

[321BAR]

will do once home hopefully problem is is that the drones in offline are very easy and straight kills. ill try and see what i can scratch up but itd be easier for me to wait to up in an A20 in the MAs in a dogfight.

[lyric1]

Send it in a zip file they cant use mediafire or other such sights due to the security settings there.

[B4Buster]

Surprised this thread is still going. Vinkman, I think you make some valid points. Unfortunately, I feek as though you guys are not being objective enough. So much for innocent until proven guilty. Ghi has been flying IL-2s for years. It's more than possible that he just "knows" where the enemy will end up emerging from above his plane. Grizz has pulled off pretty amazing shots with the mk 108 cannon, which has far worse ballistics than the 23mm cannon in the IL-2. Why can't ghi do the same in the IL-2? Does he use F3? Most likely...but AKAK gave a counter to ghi's overshoot. A high yoyo and there is absolutely nothing an IL-2 could do to stay saddled up. They just don't have the horsepower to do so.

[Vinkman]

Surprised this thread is still going. Vinkman, I think you make some valid points. Unfortunately, I feek as though you guys are not being objective enough. So much for innocent until proven guilty. Ghi has been flying IL-2s for years. It's more than possible that he just "knows" where the enemy will end up emerging from above his plane. Grizz has pulled off pretty amazing shots with the mk 108 cannon, which has far worse ballistics than the 23mm cannon in the IL-2. Why can't ghi do the same in the IL-2? Does he use F3? Most likely...but AKAK gave a counter to ghi's overshoot. A high yoyo and there is absolutely nothing an IL-2 could do to stay saddled up. They just don't have the horsepower to do so.

That's true Buster. I personally object more to the artificial SA improvement. 

[bj229r]

Would love to see a film, just go off line and kill some drones in F3 view for me.

HiTech

There's a guy or 2 who fly exclusively at DA Lake who do naught exCEPT f3 view in F4....his name escapes me, flies with TAS Aerofiters...I'd imagine he already has such films

[JOACH1M]

There's a guy or 2 who fly exclusively at DA Lake who do naught exCEPT f3 view in F4....his name escapes me, flies with TAS Aerofiters...I'd imagine he already has such films

SPACY

[danny76]

SHawk is right.

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From your brief foray into the FW forums, I bet your reticule is a pretty, frilly thing.

ack-ack

What a witty fellow you are 

[R 105]

Anyone who don't think F-3 mode is an advantage. Go spend 5 minutes in the DA. People make fantastic deflection shots that they could never make in the MA.

[kilo2]

Would love to see a film, just go off line and kill some drones in F3 view for me.

HiTech

Well I used fraps so the file was too large for media fire. I just went ahead and put it on youtube here is the link. I hope it helps.
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4QoOdDLfCo