Another whine thread

[68ZooM]

i dont see how anyone could switch between F1 and F3 fast enough in a IL2 you put guns on target, hes just good in that plane, i've died to him and shot him down, it's you just cant make a mistake when fighting GHI in that plane, period

[doc1kelley]

Ghi is nice guy and very fine stick who has demonstrated his skill, game knowlege, and creativity by understanding how F3 mode could make an iL-2 a stealthy killer. But I think, he's had his fun, and this F3 mode oversight should be fixed.

Vinkman

Ghi is an exceptional individual and I really don't know anything about F3 mode as I don't use it, but I can't understand how somebody has played so long as GHI has and honed his skills can be demonized with this F3 stuff is beyond me.  He has been a player in here for many years and only now are we hearing that he is abusing a perceived exploit?  Come on now and get a grip on reality... Sure I've called him our resident vampire as he is from Transylvania but I've flow with him for years as a squadmate and fellow countryman and he has NEVER had anything bad to say about anybody that I've heard.  He's an honorable fellow who is passionate about WWII and this game.

All the Best...

   Jay
Awdoc1

[bj229r]

Way to go ghi! It amazes me how many people fall for such a simple tactic. I've flown with ghi on vox many times, and I can say that he honestly doesn't care what anyone says about his tactics. I don't enjoy the same game style he does, but he's a great guy and I love watching him plug pickers/vultures as they miss their BnZ pass.     

He's quite good in ANY plane, and I know he's kilt me a LOT more times than I've kilt him....but making his plane (IL2, that is) appear to go underground for the brief window when you're about to fire is kinda gamey. It's spreading around too...they yank stick BACK...shove it FORward...plane disappears for 2 seconds...then you're in the uncomfortable postion of being in the IL2 cone of death for 2-3 MORE seconds. and if THATS not bad enough..cut the @#$$@#$@#ing thing in 2....if he's still at ground level, the 2 halves of the plane pile into the ground and he gets a ditch!

[Tigger29]

The ONLY time I can shoot anything in F3 mode is the rear gun of the AR-234.  'nuff said.

The be honest, I think F3 mode should be enabled in any plane that has more than one crew member, whether bomber or not.  Disabling weapons while in F3 mode would be fine by me, as I can't hit squat that way anyway...

[grizz441]

i dont see how anyone could switch between F1 and F3 fast enough in a IL2 you put guns on target, hes just good in that plane, i've died to him and shot him down, it's you just cant make a mistake when fighting GHI in that plane, period

Lol, it's easy, when I'm defending against vulches I do the same thing... negative g stick stir in f3 mode, and then switch to F1 as the plane flies in front and spray 30 taters at him.

[Vinkman]

... but I can't understand how somebody has played so long as GHI has and honed his skills can be demonized with this F3 stuff is beyond me.    Jay
Awdoc1

Please don't quote me when talking about Demonizing Ghi. The exact point of the portion of the post you quoted was to NOT demonize Ghi. This is not a Ghi rant, it's a F3 mode in iL-2 rant.

Vinkman 

[321BAR]

The ONLY time I can shoot anything in F3 mode is the rear gun of the AR-234.  'nuff said.

The be honest, I think F3 mode should be enabled in any plane that has more than one crew member, whether bomber or not.  Disabling weapons while in F3 mode would be fine by me, as I can't hit squat that way anyway...

You can easily lead an enemy with the A20 F3 mode. trust me ive done it once in a blue moon because the A20 gunsight wags back and forth when you move around

[dedalos]

I really really want to see a video of someone shooting better  from f3 mode then inside the cockpit.

HiTech

Not just better, but some times the shot is only possible from F3 mode since you cannot see planes under your nose.  If I am ever again in an IL2 and happen to pull one off I ll send you the film.  However, here is how it works.  You put out a nice stream of tracers while pulling Gs (if you are in the pilot sit you have no idea how close to the bad guy you are shooting) and using the F3 view you adjust on how hard you pull on the stick.  I ve hit people screaming by at a 90 degree angle.  And btw, when in an IL2 I am always in F3.  I guess I have been shorting my self by doing that lol.

But lets say I did you send you a fiml, how will you know that I was shooting better?  There is no way to see what I would have done from the cockpit since, well, I was not there lol.  Only thing you can do is go back int he pilot sit in the film and see that I could not see where I was shooting.

F3 for a fighter is just a bad idea that can be fixed easily in several ways.  

[DrBone1]

You can easily lead an enemy with the A20 F3 mode. trust me ive done it once in a blue moon because the A20 gunsight wags back and forth when you move around

Bar time to get flamed 

[321BAR]

Bar time to get flamed 

waiting...

[lyric1]

I really really want to see a video of someone shooting better  from f3 mode then inside the cockpit.

HiTech

I asked the same thing in this thread. I think some have claimed to be able to shoot in F3 mode in this thread as well.

Yet still no film provided? 

Anti up guys you want a change the one who can make it happen has opened the door for you just send in the film.

[dedalos]

I asked the same thing in this thread. I think some have claimed to be able to shoot in F3 mode in this thread as well.

Yet still no film provided? 

Anti up guys you want a change the one who can make it happen has opened the door for you just send in the film.

This is the dumbest argument ever    I guess if you never been high enough to see the curvature of the earth that means the earth is flat? lol.

This is not about "that guy".  I could care less.  I do care about having it on in the DA though.  And if someone is going to make an argument on how it helps game play in the MA or how a gunner facing backwards could assist the pilot in shooting under the planes nose, I am willing to listen.

[bj229r]

I asked the same thing in this thread. I think some have claimed to be able to shoot in F3 mode in this thread as well.

Yet still no film provided? 

Anti up guys you want a change the one who can make it happen has opened the door for you just send in the film.

There's more than a few guys at DA lake who can't fly any other way, (who seem to be more-than-decent sticks) mebbe one of them will send a film

[lyric1]

This is the dumbest argument ever    I guess if you never been high enough to see the curvature of the earth that means the earth is flat? lol.

This is not about "that guy".  I could care less.  I do care about having it on in the DA though.  And if someone is going to make an argument on how it helps game play in the MA or how a gunner facing backwards could assist the pilot in shooting under the planes nose, I am willing to listen.

The original post was about being shot down in the main arena by an IL-2. Any argument you have about the DA & F3 mode belongs in another thread. So it is not such a stupid argument after all.

Here go to these threads & continue on here with your DA issues.

 http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,295820.0.html

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,285490.0.html

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,233899.0.html

As far as shooting under ones noses is concerned? ahh Change direction maybe as soon as you hear hit sprites? 

[lyric1]

There's more than a few guys at DA lake who can't fly any other way, (who seem to be more-than-decent sticks) mebbe one of them will send a film

Again DA is not the issue here in this thread. Any films from there would not be pertanent.