Another whine thread

[bj229r]

Again DA is not the issue here in this thread. Any films from there would not be pertanent.

Well...F3 is F3, irregardless of where it emanates. Of course, in there, the subjects are Chogs and Tempests, not so much A20's and IL2's

[JUGgler]

Although I don't think F3 should be removed, I am absolutely astonished at how many folks think it doesn't help!
I too have used F3 for Il2, A20, ju88 and such and found with a little practice SHOOTING is quite easy indeed if not easier in F3! I think this is just a reality! With that said the Il2 is still just an Il2 and is easily defeated. Where the problem comes in for those who get "colon crunched" by an Il2 is, those unfortunate peeps more times than not are vulching or might as well be vulching and are tryin to maintain their speed advantage "looking for the easy kill" <--- this = overshoot and that equals colon crunch!  

As far as I'm concerned those peeps B&Zing the edge of a field or vulching deserve as many taters as will fit inside their colon     Go GHI Go!

BTW, stop worrying about speed and saddle up on that Il2 and kill it easily    (problem solved)  

[dedalos]

The original post was about being shot down in the main arena by an IL-2. Any argument you have about the DA & F3 mode belongs in another thread. So it is not such a stupid argument after all.

Here go to these threads & continue on here with your DA issues.

 http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,295820.0.html

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,285490.0.html

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,233899.0.html

As far as shooting under ones noses is concerned? ahh Change direction maybe as soon as you hear hit sprites? 

Ahhh, thank you sir.  I was lost.  In any case, it is stupid for the MA also.  It just does not make any sense no matter what the arena to have a fighter in the F3 mode.  
You offer no answer to my questions other than get out of here lol.  By the way, the argument for having F3 in the MA on a fighter is as dumb as suggesting to listen to sprites  .  Maybe my age but I cannot hear light  

[SHawk]

BTW, stop worrying about speed and saddle up on that Il2 and kill it easily    (problem solved)  

+1

[lyric1]

Ahhh, thank you sir.  I was lost.  In any case, it is stupid for the MA also.  It just does not make any sense no matter what the arena to have a fighter in the F3 mode.  
You offer no answer to my questions other than get out of here lol.  By the way, the argument for having F3 in the MA on a fighter is as dumb as suggesting to listen to sprites  .  Maybe my age but I cannot hear light  

Post film then.

Your complaining about it & have provided nothing in terms of video to see what the issues are.

Put it here in this thread for all to see.

The owner of the game wants it to see film of this I assume to see if changes are needed.

Post film let the community decide if your complaint warrents change.

It is not like things have not been improved by requesting it.

So Prove your point for all to see.

[dedalos]

Post film then.

Your complaining about it & have provided nothing in terms of video to see what the issues are.

Put it here in this thread for all to see.

The owner of the game wants it to see film of this I assume to see if changes are needed.

Post film let the community decide if your complaint warrents change.

It is not like things have not been improved by requesting it.

So Prove your point for all to see.

Or you explain how it is needed and how it helps game plane.  I don;t need a film.  Just a short explanation on why F3 mode in a fighter is needed in the MA or DA. 

If you or the owner need a film to understand why being able to see under you planes nose (a place that would be impossible to see from the cockpit) gives you an advantage, I am afraid I wont be able to continue this conversation. 

[hitech]

I have still not seen 1 shred of evidence F3 mode helps shooting in any way.

I have seen many claims of other people using it, but never one person saying exactly how he uses it himself to shoot with.

HiTech

[lyric1]

Or you explain how it is needed and how it helps game plane.  I don;t need a film.  Just a short explanation on why F3 mode in a fighter is needed in the MA or DA. 

If you or the owner need a film to understand why being able to see under you planes nose (a place that would be impossible to see from the cockpit) gives you an advantage, I am afraid I wont be able to continue this conversation. 

Well my explanation why F3 mode is needed? OK here we go until they cut a hole in the back of the aircraft so I can see behind me or I grow eyes in the back of my head f3 mode is going to stay I would say.

What fighters are you talking about? I know of no fighters in game that have F3 mode in the main arenas? Or are you talking about DA again? If so your right we have nothing more to say to each other in this thread.

You want changes & you have film but wont post it. How do you possibly think this will help make a change. Why bother even complain then?

[JUGgler]

I have still not seen 1 shred of evidence F3 mode helps shooting in any way.

I have seen many claims of other people using it, but never one person saying exactly how he uses it himself to shoot with.

HiTech

I think Dedalos did just this. A plane that is under your nose is very easy to adjust to from the "out of plane" view F3 provides
 My simple question for F3 is, why? Why not just remove the cockpit viewing obstructions to the pilot? Then F3 is not required. Give the Il2 and others a ponys eye view?  Just saying

I would say shooting in F3 is more difficult only when target is dead 12 oclock and only marginaly




JUGgler

[TinmanX]

The only time using F3 improves your shooting is after you've had an oil hit, otherwise I can find no advantage to it. There is no shot you can make in F3 that you can't make in F1, even under the nose shots.

[321BAR]

I have still not seen 1 shred of evidence F3 mode helps shooting in any way.

I have seen many claims of other people using it, but never one person saying exactly how he uses it himself to shoot with.

HiTech

to clarify my explanation then of how i have used it on the A20. In the gunsight, there is a blindspot below the nose of every aircraft when lining up shots. Say the enemy is banking left and you have a high angle shot to kill him by following him by banking to the left (cutting the corner and making the shot). In F1 mode, you cannot see the enemy plane... In F3 mode you most certainly can line up the shot and the correct distance to make the kill.

I'm not good with vids so i'll leave it up to someone else being able to show what i mean.

[The Fugitive]

Never checked, but can you black out or red ok in F3 mode? If not that could be a heck of an advantage.

[lyric1]

Never checked, but can you black out or red ok in F3 mode? If not that could be a heck of an advantage.

You do.

[321BAR]

Never checked, but can you black out or red ok in F3 mode? If not that could be a heck of an advantage.

yes you do but you still can see better than in F1

[Guppy35]

Much ado about nothing.  Better just to shoot Ghi and be done with it

He does like to throttle back or even kill the engine, while jinking like mad to try and get you to over shoot.  I even pulled off one time when I came across a 109K that appeared to be deadstick.  Turned out it was Ghi and I had to come around again and get him.

Just not that big a deal though.  If he can get you with an IL2 while you are in the horde over his base, more power to him.