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Re: Brewster
« Reply #45 on: January 01, 2011, 02:27:00 AM »
The above mentioned article unfortunately gives zero info regarding MiG-3 or Hurricane perfomance vs Brewster.
But the following paragraph




It wasn't intended to.  It was something I stumbled onto and thought it was interesting so I passed it along.

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Re: Brewster
« Reply #46 on: January 01, 2011, 02:57:13 AM »
Quote from: THRASH99
Why do you think we got rid of it and switched to the F4F? Cause it was killing our pilots as well.

This thread is funny stuff :)

Other points have been well covered already, but lets be blunt with this one.
Why each and every nation got rid of older fighters and switched to new ones?
Because the newer ones were better.
Better. Faster. More survivable. More efficient. Just better.

USA, Britain, Germany, Soviet Union, Japan etc, countries that had large aviation industries and developed new types, they had the possibility to switch to new types. No wonder a 1930s design that had very limited growth potential and extremerely large problems in the manufacturing was moved out of front lines and replaced with new, better planes.

On other note,

Some very good insigh on the art of flying the Brewster B-239 can be read here:

http://www.virtualpilots.fi/hist/WW2History-CaptainWindsAirCombatTacticsLecture.html

This is captain Hans Wind's, one of FiAF top aces, lecture from 1943. It is general tactics lecture, but gives very good insight on the Brewster as well.

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Re: Brewster
« Reply #47 on: January 01, 2011, 05:34:17 AM »
I cant understand whats the problem with the Brewster. Its just like an a6m2. True, its zoom-climb or energy retention can be good, but its extremely slow, dont even improve with altitude, and has no cannons. Only the virtuoses can fly it effectively.

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Re: Brewster
« Reply #48 on: January 01, 2011, 06:08:15 AM »
I cant understand whats the problem with the Brewster. Its just like an a6m2. True, its zoom-climb or energy retention can be good, but its extremely slow, dont even improve with altitude, and has no cannons. Only the virtuoses can fly it effectively.

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It can dive... very well.. and the concentration of its fire is tight.. I have posted a picture of this before... The result is that if it dives on you from above, its very hard to shake.. and you can't run from it, before it chews you up... basically never be caught below a brewster.
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Re: Brewster
« Reply #49 on: January 01, 2011, 06:16:16 AM »
True. But a Hurricane2c can do the same with a little altitude (even though it has lesser time to kill you). But it still requires way better than average SA to be successful in the brew, shoot down more than one enemy and not to be stuck in a many vs you turnfight.
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Re: Brewster
« Reply #50 on: January 01, 2011, 07:26:13 AM »
The B-239 was of discussion on 200 again. It climbs and catches 109K4s, out turns Hurricanes+Zekes and catches up with P51D's+F4UD's.

Aces High Over modeled, discuss?

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Re: Brewster
« Reply #51 on: January 01, 2011, 07:45:59 AM »
DefINitely :noid :noid

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Re: Brewster
« Reply #52 on: January 01, 2011, 07:59:00 AM »
The B-239 was of discussion on 200 again. It climbs and catches 109K4s, out turns Hurricanes+Zekes and catches up with P51D's+F4UD's.

Aces High Over modeled, discuss?

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Re: Brewster
« Reply #53 on: January 01, 2011, 08:00:26 AM »
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Re: Brewster
« Reply #54 on: January 01, 2011, 08:36:25 AM »
Before this nobody flew the Brewster much.

"Made some flight modeling changes affecting the stability of the Brewster." (v2.19)

After that I noticed an increase in Brewster usage.

Are you telling me that HTC had it nerfed so badly as to render it ineffective?

Or perhaps the pendulum has swung a bit too far in the other direction.

Either way, Brew lovers like to say that they never messed with the flight model. Well there it is folks.

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Re: Brewster
« Reply #55 on: January 01, 2011, 08:37:49 AM »
lets see,not many rounds in guns,cant catch anything straight and level,only way it can catch anything is if it is diving and the other plane is not aware of his own E-state as well as the brewsters E-state..

 I would say the ONLY thing it has going for it is it can turn,and while turning has decent E-retention..dont see overmodeling in that.. :salute

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Re: Brewster
« Reply #56 on: January 01, 2011, 08:41:17 AM »
Wow, 2 Brewster threads going at once.

This plane MUST be the work of the debil.
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Re: Brewster
« Reply #57 on: January 01, 2011, 09:19:38 AM »
 When the Brewster first came in the game I just dismissed it as an under guns F4F. After reading all the whines about it I have started to use it and I like it. For low and slow base defence it works pretty good. I even killed a 262 in it and the Zero's and Hurricanes are not the top turn birds now.

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Re: Brewster
« Reply #58 on: January 01, 2011, 09:53:10 AM »
It climbs and catches 109K4s, out turns Hurricanes+Zekes and catches up with P51D's+F4UD's.

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Re: Brewster
« Reply #59 on: January 01, 2011, 10:13:55 AM »
It most certainly does not out-turn a zeke and the rest of your points are equally invalid.
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