haha Grizz.......thats no differant then you 262 pillow.......oh crap should I have let that out.........:-) AKAK How bout you put that 38 against my hurri....or say my KI84 when I get back, you've been flying so long im sure I can learn something from ya.......oh wait been there done that.......as I recall it was short and sweet, that 38 made such a nice pretty explosion....twice in a row :-0