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Re: LA-7
« Reply #75 on: January 15, 2011, 05:59:48 PM »
RVflyer...I just decrease the rpm's, to extend it further dethrottle, thats not nessesary though.

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Re: LA-7
« Reply #76 on: January 15, 2011, 06:03:05 PM »
RVflyer...I just decrease the rpm's, to extend it further dethrottle, thats not nessesary though.

Yeah in the game you are right it is just reducing power to extend distance.
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Re: LA-7
« Reply #77 on: January 15, 2011, 06:10:07 PM »
you can fly a sector if the rpm's are dropped to I think around 25~20 once you get there youll still have almost a full tank hehe

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« Reply #78 on: January 15, 2011, 10:12:34 PM »
you can fly a sector if the rpm's are dropped to I think around 25~20 once you get there youll still have almost a full tank hehe
bring it back to 20 @ 10 k and have about 40 minutes of flight time at 325 level flight
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« Reply #79 on: January 16, 2011, 02:43:30 AM »
Dedalos's second scenario there best describes DMCOD (courtesy of Silat)



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Re: LA-7
« Reply #80 on: January 16, 2011, 03:56:56 AM »
When speaking of range, feathering the prop isn't really all that useful. Of course I coulod fly most efficient setting, and feather the prop, but that isn't very practical. Whn talking about performance, it has great acceleration, top speed, views, roll, and overall turning ability. With that said, the ballistics are marginal, and the range isn't anything to write home about. All things considered, it should be ENY 5 IMO.

What?  Lowering RPM's is one of the best ways to extend your range...  That's why a lot of aircraft's cruise settings at altitude are RPMs down, full throttle.  Look at an E6B when you come back to max cruise RPM, even without changing throttle position, you gain a TON of range.

Higher RPMs = more explosions per second (which means more fuel per second).
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Re: LA-7
« Reply #81 on: January 17, 2011, 07:10:31 AM »
At 20k u can fly 2 or more sectors on 10% throttle at 200mph with enough fuel to fight on wep for 5-8mins and crawl home!

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Re: LA-7
« Reply #82 on: January 17, 2011, 10:07:46 AM »
You guys know that the La-7 and La-5FN could both carry two 80L drop tanks, right?
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Re: LA-7
« Reply #83 on: January 18, 2011, 10:33:34 AM »
Nice flying Ded, enjoyed watching that one..


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Re: LA-7
« Reply #84 on: January 18, 2011, 10:37:13 AM »
You guys know that the La-7 and La-5FN could both carry two 80L drop tanks, right?
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Re: LA-7
« Reply #85 on: January 18, 2011, 12:14:28 PM »
not modeled here........there IS a God :aok

Why didnt they model them?  Were they not used very often or something?
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« Reply #86 on: January 18, 2011, 12:49:31 PM »
The eastern front featured very short flying distances to reach the combat area, around 30-50km, so I doubt they were needed very often.  It's not the size of the gas tank that hurts the La-5/7 so much as the fuel burn multiplier.  Still, there were probably more La-7s flying with drop tanks than sporting 3x20mm. ;)

It's funny, though, because the hard points are there for those little bombs, but for our purposes drop tanks would put them to better use.
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Re: LA-7
« Reply #87 on: January 18, 2011, 04:29:01 PM »
In all the data I have on Lavochkins La 5 /7 I have never seen a reference to an external drop tank.

The early Lagg3 did have the facility to take external drop tanks on its bomb shackles. It also had the facility to take 6 x M82 rockets.

Re endurance of the La7 plse see below

Approved. 1st Deputy Chief of GK NII VVS Losyukov. 6 Jan 1945.

                          REPORT No 2
on results of flight trials for fuel consumption and range measurements
of La-7 No38103254 with ASh-82FN engine and VISh-105V-4 propeller.

                     The object of research

La-7 No 38103254 produced by plant No 381... Total weight 3265 kg, fuel tanks
capacity - 460 litres. The landing-gear and the tail wheel were up,
the canopy was closed, the cap of oil-cooler and the skirt of engine cowl
were set "along the flood" (feathered).

                    The results of the tests.

The measurements of fuel consumption with working engine had been carried
out on the ground and during a climb at max climb rate. As a result it has
been established that fuel consumption of a working engine is 2.35 l/min
on the ground (during warm-up and engine test, taxiing to and from the
starting position).

Fuel consumption at climb to H at maximum climb rate mode, in litres
                          n=2400RPM

H,m       1000    2000    3000    4000    5000    6000    7000
Q,litres    15      25      35      45      55      65      80
IAS, km/h  270     270     270     265     260     255     250


Chart of range and level flight duration of a/c La-7 No38103254 at different
flight modes at V/n=const (constant speed and RPM), G tot=3265kg (total
weight) and V fuel=460 l (fuel volume)

n,   Supercharg. Speed, km/h     q,      Qf,       Till the dry tank:
RPM  pressure,    IAS    TAS  lit./km  lit./h    Range of    Level flight
     mm of merc.                               level flight,   duration,
     pile                                          km           h-min

H=1000m (1st speed of supercharger), fuel supply for level flight - 365 l

2400   1020       575    608   1.020     620       355          0-35
2200    875       530    560   0.800     448       455          0-49
2000    745       480    508   0.655     333       555          1-06
1800    665       430    455   0.585     266       625          1-22
1600    610       385    407   0.560     228       650          1-36
1500    580       360    380   0.550     209       665          1-45

H=3000m (1st speed of supercharger), fuel supply for level flight - 345 l

2400    990       554    644   0.975     628       355          0-33
2200    830       510    588   0.745     438       460          0-47
2000    705       460    532   0.620     330       555          1-03
1800    615       415    480   0.575     276       600          1-15
1600    560       370    428   0.555     238       620          1-27
1500    545       345    400   0.550     220       625          1-34

H=5000m (2nd speed of supercharger), fuel supply for level flight - 325 l

2400   1020       513    658   0.910     600       355          0-32
2200    840       470    604   0.700     423       465          0-46
2000    720       430    554   0.600     333       540          0-58
1800    630       385    496   0.560     278       580          1-10
1600    590       340    440   0.550     242       590          1-20

H=7000m (2nd speed of supercharger), fuel supply for level flight - 300 l

2400    870       454    647   0.735     476       405          0-38
2200    685       415    593   0.570     338       525          0-53
2000    590       380    544   0.500     272       600          1-06
1800    515       340    490   0.460     225       650          1-20
1600    465       300    433   0.450     195       665          1-32

Notes:

1. For range and flight duration calculations the following fuel consumptions
are taken into account:


a) for engine work on the ground (warming-up and engine test, taxiing to and
from the start) 35 l per 15 min;

b) for climb to: 1000m - 15 l; 3000 m - 55 l; 7000 m - 80 l;
c) for circle flight before landing - 45 l.

2. To obtain the values of technical range and flight duration add the
following range and time figures to the table values respectively:
1000m -  5km, 1 min
3000m - 15km, 3 min
5000m - 25km, 5 min
7000m - 40km, 8 min


The table of range and flight duration for La-7 No 38103254 with
G full=3265kg, full tank fuel supply - 460 l.

Mode   Mode values                                      Level flight
                                                      up to dry tanks:
                                                     Range, km     duration,
                                                                   h-min
                                                                   
Max.   H=1000m(1st sup.sp.),n=2400, Ps=1020mm Me.pl.    355        0-35
speed    3000  1              2400      990             355        0-33
         5000  2              2400     1020             355        0-32
         7000  2              2400      870             405        0-38

Fast   H=1000m(1st sup.sp.),n=2160, IAS=518 km/h        485        0-53
range    3000  1              2160      498             490        0-51
(0.9     5000  2              2160      462             485        0-49
Vmax)    7000  2              2160      408             545        0-56

Near   H=5000m(2nd sup.sp.),n=1810, IAS=388 km/h        580        1-10
fast range                          TAS=500 km/h

Optim. H=1000m(1st sup.sp.),n=1500, IAS=360 km/h        665        1-45
mode     3000  1              1500      345             625        1-34
         5000  2              1600      340             590        1-20
         7000  2              1600      300             665        1-32

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Re: LA-7
« Reply #88 on: January 18, 2011, 05:55:25 PM »
Woah, don't overwhelm me with that tidal wave of red text.  I could very well be wrong about the La-5/7 being able to carry drop tanks, but I've seen a few things that suggest that they were an option.

I've seen model kits with external fuel tanks.

Range specifications list 395miles for the La-7 on internal fuel, but at other times the range is given as 475miles.

Drop tanks are a loadout option in Il-2.

But, again, it might not have carried them.  It would be nice to hear from someone who's well read on the aircraft.
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Re: LA-7
« Reply #89 on: January 18, 2011, 06:49:47 PM »
But, again, it might not have carried them.  It would be nice to hear from someone who's well read on the aircraft.

that would be....

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