OK, the Yanks got theirs, the LWs got theirs, now how about an RAF bird?

[Karnak]

The Yanks got their P-47D-30...

The Luftwaffe got their Fw190A-5...

Methinks its time for the Spitfire MkXIV (bubble hood) to make its apearance.  

Sisu
-Karnak

[RAM]

 

Originally posted by Karnak:
The Yanks got their P-47D-30...

The Luftwaffe got their Fw190A-5...

Methinks its time for the Spitfire MkXIV (bubble hood) to make its apearance.    

Sisu
-Karnak

then give us 190D9. SpitXIV is a late 44 plane,P47D-30 too and Fw190A5 is 1943

So stop the song...

[Nashwan]

1 Yank plane - P47
1 Luft plane - 190A5
1 Jap plane - Zeke
1 Soviet plane - Yak 9
Apparently no time even to provide drop tanks for either of the 2 RAF planes still waiting.
Feeling like everyone's been given a pressie but me  

[RAM]

oh nash ok so then next row give us a Me109E and you RAF people get a Tempest ok?

Plane for plane isnt it?

DOH!

[Hangtime]

Time for this one methinks.

 

Photo coutesy of Funked and the 303rd

Hang

[Karnak]

Plane set as it stands now on fighters:

1939 NONE
1940 NONE
1941 Spitfire MkVb, Typhoon, Bf109F, ??C.202??
1942 Spitfire MkIX, Bf109G-2, Bf109G-6
1943 Fw190A-5, A6M5b, ??La5N??, ??C.205??
1944 Fw190A-8, N1K2, P-51D, P-47D-30, Yak-9U, Bf109G-10, P-38L
1945 NONE
1946 NONE


Note that the VVS, USAAF, IJA and Luftwaffe all have at least one plane in the 1944 planeset and the Regia Aeronautica have (maybe) one in the 1943 planeset.  I think its time for the RAF to get a 1943/1944 fighter:  the MkXIV Spitfire.  The first Spitfire MkXIV was delivered to the RAF in November of 1943 and it entered full squadron service in the 2nd quarter of 1944.  It is not a late '44 aircraft.

Hangtime, sure, lets get a P-51B in RAF colors, e.g Mustang MkIII.  But in that case, I want a Spitfire MkXIV in USAAF colors.    If you 'Stang boys can milk a Mustang out of the RAF, let us RAF boys milk a Spit out of the USAAF (Spit Vs and IXs did serve in the USAAF, but I don't think any XIVs did).

Sisu
-Karnak

[Nath-BDP]

A6m5 = March 44

the war ended in 45 not 46

[Karnak]

Yes, I know it ended in '45.  I was leaving room for the theoretical "special" planes that never saw service.

Sisu
-Karnak

[Kieren]

Guys-

Give Nashwan and Karnak a little slack here... I think they are right. The Brits are about due for an upgrade in the fighter department. I for one really do try to fly all planes, and can see the MkIX is getting a little long in the tooth compared to some of the monsters out there now.

Put yourself in their shoes; they want to stay with their choice of country. There is bound to be a plane that can do that and not upset the arena any more than the new A5, right?  

[RAM]

 

Originally posted by Kieren:
Guys-

Give Nashwan and Karnak a little slack here... I think they are right. The Brits are about due for an upgrade in the fighter department. I for one really do try to fly all planes, and can see the MkIX is getting a little long in the tooth compared to some of the monsters out there now.

Put yourself in their shoes; they want to stay with their choice of country. There is bound to be a plane that can do that and not upset the arena any more than the new A5, right?    

Well seems that now that half the arena will be in P47 noone matters the "boring" and the "repetitive" view they will made,all in the same plane...nahh of course that only happened with 190A5   (tongue-in-cheek)

Kieren I agree with you in that RAF needs another plane. But not for the reason said here, we LW get a 1943 plane and you all think that because that you must receive a 1944 one??? as I said, then give us a Me109E and then give RAF people a tempest.

I love A5. And you all know it. But Fw190A5 is a 1943 plane, and its speed cant match that of the 1944 planes. Damnit, I have problems trying to outrun SpitIXs!!!

Give them the Tempest, if they want it. I think SpitXIV belongs to the "uber" list, but that is open for a debate. Well give them their food. And give us ours. A competitive late war Fw190. Give us a Dora9.

Right now people is realizing that fw190A5 is just a good plane. Better than A8 in some aspects...but worse in others (Deck speed is too few for my flying style).

D9 is a plane that would turn a bit better than A8, and be fast at all altitudes. And it HAD MW50   MANY of them had it (hint hint).

So if they want tempest, give them tempest. But dont let us with a 1943 plane and a heavyweight buff killer to match that. Give us a dora

and everyone happy  


[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 06-23-2000).]

[Karnak]

Thanks Kieren.

The following is a repost of something I posted in the Aircraft and Vehicles forum.  I want people to read it.  Particularly RAF and LW guys.

_____________________________ _____________________________ __________

I say "Forget the LWs". I'm tired of hearing them b***h whenever we RAF types ask for a new fighter. I haven't noticed them doing this to anybody else.

What is so bad about the RAF?

You LW guys don't seem to raise a fuss about the USAAF/USN, VVS, IJN/IJA or Regia Aeronautica getting new kites without getting compensation. Why raise the fuss about the RAF? You guys already have 7 units to our 3 (1.04 looks to raise this to 8 to 4). You have a couple of late war aircraft already, the Bf109G-10 and Fw190A-8. The Fw might be intended for bombers, but that certainly has its place here. You just got the Fw190A-5, which is a VERY lethal mid-war fighter. Why do the LW guys need to get yet another late-war bird if we RAFs get our first late-war bird?

Plane set as it stands now on fighters:

1939 NONE
1940 NONE
1941 Spitfire MkVb, Typhoon, Bf109F, ??C.202??
1942 Spitfire MkIX, Bf109G-2, Bf109G-6
1943 Fw190A-5, F4U-1D, F4U-1C, ??La5N??, ??C.205??
1944 Fw190A-8, N1K2, P-51D, A6M5b, P-47D-30, Yak-9U, Bf109G-10, P-38L
1945 NONE

I don't want the Tempest V as the first late-war RAF fighter because it would just be another BnZ cannon bird. We've already got one. It is also not something that hasn't been modeled. While WB might not model it, both AOE and EAW did. Their flight models may not be up to snuff, but they do count as priors.

I want the Spitfire MkXIV "bubble hood" because it would be used in a different way than the existing aircraft. I also believe that it would be more competitive with the existing fighter set. Yes, it too has been modeled in other sims, but I think it would be the best choice for the RAF's first late-war fighter.

I would like to see the Tempest V and Fw190D-9 modeled, I just don't see it as high a priority as the Spitfire MkXIV. I don't think that the LWs need to be compensated if the RAF gets the Spitfire MkXIV. We certainly haven't been compensated for each fighter that they've gotten in each release and I would certainly not expect it. I don't think that HTC should foster the idea that a particular group must be coddled and compensated in each release because another group got something in that release. The Bf109G-10 and Fw190A-5 would provide adequate competition for the Spitfire MkXIV for a few weeks/months until the Fw190D-9 could/would be added.

Sisu
-Karnak

[AKSeaWulfe]

 

Originally posted by RAM:
 

D9 is a plane that would turn a bit better than A8, and be fast at all altitudes. And it HAD MW50     MANY of them had it (hint hint).

Eh, RAM, that Dora-9 is no turner. It's not even a radial engine, it's an inline. I will produce one of my sources as to why it's no turner "The new airplane[Fw 190 D9] lacked the high turn rate and incredible rate of roll of its close-coupled radial-engined predecessor. It was a bit faster, however, with a maximum speed of 426 mph at 21,650ft. It's 1750HP, which methanol/water injection boosted to 2240, gave it excellent acceleration in combat situations. It also climbed and dove more rapidly than the Fw 190A, so proved well suited to dive-and-boom(he said it, not me) ambush tactics favored by Schlageter pilots." -JG26 Top Guns of the Luftwaffe p.298 second paragraph. This is by no means a book on just airplanes, it's a book about JG26 obviously. Most of us, I'm sure, have a copy of this book. I've read it 4 or 5 times now. I love the Luftwaffe(note: NOTE what it fought for or what Hitler intended the swastika to stand for... it was actually an indian symbol he took from a tribe that he killed on one of his EARLY invasions). I love german aircraft. I don't like 190s so much(they're more suited to taking down forts 'n liberators IMO with those big guns.. 109s more suited for combat again IMO). I just want all planes to perform the way they should. I support the A5, I think it performs within it's RL counterparts flight data. I just don't like how some games(AOE namely) had the Fw 190D9 on turning roids. The WB 190D9 turned slowly and stalled much easier than the other 190s. I mean, the D9 is just a Fw 190A8 with an extended tail, larger horizontal stabilizer and a bigger engine up front. It's heavier than the A8 by 2,000lbs. Has the same wing area. At sea level it's only 2MPH faster. At 21,650ft it is 426MPH. The A8 at 18,045ft is 402MPH. Those are max speeds for both craft at their optimal altitudes. If you want the source for this data, ask in a reply.
-SW
AKSeaWulfe+

[Pongo]

I disagree.
The Spit IX with a 50cal load out is a 1944 plane. It did not exist before that.
It is a true contempory of the G10 and the A8.
The XIV is a contemporary of the 262 and the D9.
But good luck.

[juzz]

D-9 is 2000lbs heavier than A-8? I'd like to see that source.

[MrBill]

"note: NOTE what it fought for or what Hitler intended the swastika to stand for... it was actually an indian symbol he took from a tribe that he killed on one of his EARLY invasions)."

Actually the swastika was a very old norse symbol (Signature of Thor if I remember correctly).  Werner Voss was the first German pilot to use it on his sky blue DR1 in WWl.  The indian symbol had the wings pointing the other direction from the swastika.  This was true of the Indians of the middle east and the Native Americans.

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smile awhile

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