Originally posted by RAM:
AKS, to extend tail and nose doesnt make a plane to roll worse, a bigger wing would do that (Ta152H lost much of the 190's rollrate because its extended wingspan). so if D9 has same wing as A8 how come it rolls worse? it makes no sense.
I never said extending the tail makes it roll worse. FIrst of alll, the D-9 *IS* the A8 airframe. Same wing area, wingloading, airfoil, everything. It just has 5ft extension placed between the fuselage and the tail section. THe thing that makes it roll worse is it's inline engine. In a radial engine you have much more centrigual force going a certain direction, thus giving you a faster rate of roll in one direction. The D9 is an inline engine, that does NOT necassarily have MW50.
Besides, the better powerloading with the same wingloading (in fact a bit lighter), should make D9 to have a BIGGER turnrate than A8, not less!!!
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This is just assumption here. Fact of the matter is, it's not just whatever you think powerloading is,(if you mean engine power, as in horse power.. well the 190D9 had the Jumo213A01 rated only 1,776HP(2,240HP w/emergency boost) while the A8 was 1,700HP(2,100hp emergency boost)Not much of a difference in power-- doesn't really support bigger engine=better turning, and the fact of the matter is that the 190D-9 is a mere 330lbs lighter than the A-8 doesn't mean it's going to all of a sudden be a better turner. The distance between the wings and the tail alone should indicate to you it's not much a turner, but you insist that more power(not much) and more wing area(eh? it has the SAME sized wings as the A-8, no difference there) and less weight(330lbs) immediately make it a candidate for turning better. In real life, just sticking a bigger engine on a smaller airframe doesn't make it a candidate for turning wickedly fast. It all comes down to wing AREA, or surface area. If the wings aren't large enough to grip onto the air in those turns, then the airfoil is going to lose it's air feed and thus stall out. Haven't you noticed when you stall in AH you're plane's wings aren't gripping the air as well? You're tugging on that stick, but your wings aren't doing much so you are moving 45degrees down from where your nose is pointed.
I'd like to see some figures/anecdotes that you are pulling your ideas from. I've produced mine, now lets see yours. I'll guarantee you that 190 D-9 is not going to be on par with this 190A-5 as far as turning goes. You've got one high speed pass and a small turn before you leave that planes flight envelope, and it's not medium-low alt fighter. That thing was built for way up in the sky, why else would they give it a paddle blade prop?
-SW
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